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  • Bellevue Considers Charging Residents Per Fire Call Save Email Print
    Residents would have to pay a fee for each response unit
    Posted: 11:59 PM Feb 27, 2008
    Last Updated: 11:59 PM Feb 27, 2008
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    How does this sound for coverage from your fire department? Pay as needed. An ordinance proposed by the Bellevue City Council has fired off a controversy.

    A lot has changed for Sen. Abbie Cornett of Bellevue in a year. Her family's new home helps them forget that night. “It was the most horrible experience of our lives. We walked away with virtually nothing."

    A fire destroyed the Cornett home, leaving the family to start over. After a call to 911, the Bellevue Volunteer Fire Department rolled out its standard fire response team, something Abbie never thought twice about it until Wednesday.

    “People should not be afraid of the repercussions of picking up the phone and calling 911.”

    The Bellevue City Council is considering a new ordinance that would make fire and rescue services a-la-carte. If passed, residents would have to pay a fee for each response unit.

    Bellevue Fire Department president David Syzmanski says this is a bad idea. “A person, from burning food on the stove setting off the apartment complex fire alarm, would be settled with a bill for several thousand dollars just because we responded."

    If that happened to you, here's the standard response you could expect. "Two pumpers, an aerial, utility truck, command vehicle and one or more rescue squad,” says Syzmanski.

    An expensive meal made worse only by the fact that it burned.

    Residents like Mary Price say in an emergency they would call 911 no matter what the price. “I don't think it would make a difference to me, I would call 911.”

    Others worry about the chilling effect additional fees may have on people calling 911. Sen. Cornett agrees and says people will always call in obvious emergencies like the one she found herself in, but in close calls, people should think twice.

    Channel 6 News spoke to Bellevue's mayor Wednesday evening. He says this is just one option the city is considering and that there will be an opportunity for public input on March 10th.

    He says if passed, these additional fees could be absorbed by a resident's insurance. The fire department says that could also lead to increased insurance rates.

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    Posted by: Jason on Feb 29, 2008 at 09:56 AM
    STEVE: The ordinance was written by the City Attorney at the request of the mayor and SUBMITTED to the council for consideration and approval. Response time for the fire department is determined by when the pager goes off to when the first units arrive on the scene from BVFD. Not the Police. They have seperate response times for First Responders.

    Posted by: D on Feb 29, 2008 at 09:29 AM
    All, As a volunteer firefighter we swear an oath to uphold all the laws of the department/city. We serve the public with no intention of getting anything in return. We enjoy serving our city and citizens through our dedication to the department. If the mayor wants to go paid because of legitimate concerns then that is what is going to happen. With that said as citizens it is also our responsiblity to ensure our elected officials are doing the right thing for the city. The fees that were proposed were not in line with other cities our size have. This is not about what is happening in the legislature it is about the city being honest and open with the citizens and fire department about his goals and expectations. If an honest and open dialogue occurred most of this rhetoric going on in the press today would be null and void.

    Posted by: Insider on Feb 29, 2008 at 08:40 AM
    I have watched the data entry of the times into the system, and designed the reports from with the averages come. I can say with 100% confidence that the quoted response times do NOT include first responder times. First responder times are there for informational purposes only.

    Posted by: LOL on Feb 29, 2008 at 08:15 AM
    This idiot mayor must be related the fahey.. Two of a kind..!!!!Rob the people!!!

    Posted by: pete on Feb 29, 2008 at 08:12 AM
    How ignorant can they be? As long as I have house insurance..it can burn to the ground before I pay thousands to the fire dept.

    Posted by: karen on Feb 29, 2008 at 06:52 AM
    I myself would think twice about calling 911. If they charged your homeowners insurance just once your rates either go up or you are dropped.

    Posted by: Steve on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:04 PM
    To J. The ordinance was written by the mayor and the members of the council. As for the response times the police times do go into the response time calculations. I sat in Senator Cornett's office and was able to review all this information and it does include the police times used to lower the response times (maybe you should do the same thing). They are using the police as first responders (do you understand what FIRST means). They are being included into the response times and what the fire department is reporting does not give you an accurate picture of when the FIRST fire apparatus arrives that is capable of providing services. The "length of service program" was started before there was even any legislative language in the state of nebraska regarding this. It was approved by the mayor and council at that time using PICKLE money not money that was billed for services (ones a donation one is billed very big difference). There is no bill that allows billed money to be used this way.

    Posted by: Vladamir on Feb 28, 2008 at 08:56 PM
    This is absolutely ridiculous. Nebraska ranks 10th in the nation with the highest overall state taxes. What a scam...

    Posted by: Silly on Feb 28, 2008 at 03:49 PM
    Well lets slap on another couple of fees so they can take money from people. It's all about greed for money. Don't say it isn't and that it's going to this and that. Not talking about the Fire Fighters they are good people, it's the city. It's greed. Enough said (Volunteer).

    Posted by: J on Feb 28, 2008 at 03:31 PM
    The city council did not propose this . It was drawn up and proposed by Mayor Babbitt, his assistant Mr.Troutman (who doesn't live in bellevue) , and the city att. This mayor has miss managed city money for a while now. Oh and for the man who thinks he knows what he's talking about Bellevue does not use the time when a police officer arrives as its response time. They are a first responder this goes into a different catagory .Also the retirement fund is a legal fund established years ago with approval from the mayor and city council. The state leg. also made a bill that made this very legal. So when you understand when your talking about feel free to comment other wise keep quite

    Posted by: `Pat' on Feb 28, 2008 at 02:50 PM
    MONEY, MONEY, MONEY! SOMEBODY wants more MONEY! Who wants this, MORE MONEY? The BOSS, some POLITICIAN, an employee(s), a SALESMAN? WHY? What's wrong with your wages these days? Are you too POOR? Can't afford your lifestyle anymore? Just who exactly is disgruntled or upset? Who stands to gain by these `charges? POOR PEOPLE? To *#$% with the poor, Right? They are usually Dumb; the ones who cause the calls; the ones we usually have to respond to; the ones who don't deserve our attention(help). Who has this chip on their shoulder concerning those who generally speaking, Use 911? Are the First responders getting SICK & TIRED of coming to the aid of strangers? Should they NOT give people the benefit of the doubt anymore? Only the VERY RICH will be able to afford these supposed needed charges. Have they really lost that much faith in helping the DUMB, STUPID & INGNORAMIC who cause the calls?Give the rich an inch & he/she like the devil, will take a mile! ROBBERS! STICK IT TO US!, Right? :-|

    Posted by: Fed Up on Feb 28, 2008 at 02:46 PM
    Everything about the way the city of Bellevue is run just makes me sick. From the Mayor, to the Police Department, to the City Council. They all deserve the bad rap that they get. I hope the people of Bellevue will wise up during the next elections. So many of these people need to move on.

    Posted by: Keith on Feb 28, 2008 at 02:40 PM
    So what happens when you're having a BBQ and your neighbor calls the FD? Who pays the fee? And where's the prudence in charging a family that just lost everything to the fire? Maybe we should consider a FEE FOR SERVICE approach. The FD gets paid based on how much they save from the fire. If they're slow getting there and the whole house is gone, the FD gets nothing. This approach would set up strong incentives for speed and efficiency. After all, the value of the FD isn't merely putting out fires, it's in what they save and protect in the process.

    Posted by: DB on Feb 28, 2008 at 02:36 PM
    I can almost hear the conversations. "911, whats your emergency?" "Help, help! My house is on fire!!" "We'll send the fire crews right out. But first, could I get your credit card number please?"

    Posted by: Kenn on Feb 28, 2008 at 01:38 PM
    Wow- there is so much ignorance below I don't know where to start. 1. Response times do not, and never have, included police response. Misunderstanding? Our Police Chief once explained that Bellevue is unique in that its police force tends to be at least first responder trained, and some paramedics. This was said to help explain the sometimes higher than normal response times being ok. Since then we've reduced them even more. 2. Insurance doesn't cover it. Of the 5 insurance companies checked so far (USAA, State Farm, etc), none cover fire services. The fine print says if you don't live in a "fire protection area" you may qualify for up to $500 of coverage. No one in Eastern Sarpy County qualifies. 3. Paid is not better, just different. No one has yet presented why a paid department would be a boon to Bellevue. Would response times go down? Not likely (If the city wants staffed fire stations all they have to do is ask). Better trained? No. More experienced? No.More expensive? YES

    Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 28, 2008 at 01:25 PM
    Looks like an expensive idea since BVFD rolls 2 squads and engine and a utility to a cut finger call. Maybe they should revamp their rolling order for certain calls or just roll apparatus with more then 1-2 people on each unit.

    Posted by: Laura on Feb 28, 2008 at 12:55 PM
    Sounds like the houses in Omaha are going to start selling and fewer people will choose Bellevue! That is the craziest thing I have heard in awhile! I sure won't be moving there!

    Posted by: micky on Feb 28, 2008 at 12:42 PM
    No other city in Nebraska pay for Fire service per call, That is why we pay taxes for. Remeber this next time you most vote for somone in the City of Bellevue. Or maybe the State should run & it would be a better city!

    Posted by: kms on Feb 28, 2008 at 12:01 PM
    you've got to be kidding me...so, what are people supposed to do who live in apartment complexes or duplexes or other "shared living" buildings? Who gets that bill? City of Bellevue....get a grip.

    Posted by: Cost-conscious on Feb 28, 2008 at 11:52 AM
    Let's look at this from a financial standpoint. If the deductible on my house insurance is $1500, and a fire call will result in two pumpers at $1000 per hour, one aerial at $750 per hour, one utility truckat $200 per hour, a command vehicle at $100 per hour, and a rescue squad at $125 (without transport), am I better off calling 911 (at $2050 per hour plus $125 for the rescue squad) or just grabbing the kids and dog and letting it go to the ground (costing $1500 for insurance deductible) and pray that no one else calls 911 for me? Bellevue needs to find ways to raise money that won't risk lives and property by giving residents a financial incentive not to call the fire department.

    Posted by: Ann on Feb 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM
    My home burned, and we saved our most valuable possessions (family photos and our pet) only because a neighbor saw the flames and called 911. We were all away from the home at the time, and if not for that neighbor, there would have been nothing left. I hate to think that you might put people in the situation where they are afraid of a fee (what ARE taxes for, anyway?), so they would not call in when they see something like flames 20 feet above the neighbor's house!!

    Posted by: D on Feb 28, 2008 at 11:22 AM
    If Bellevue Councilmen get paid, vote to make it all volunteer.

    Posted by: Wayne on Feb 28, 2008 at 11:04 AM
    I checkeed with my insurance today, they only cover the first $500.00. Seems like Bellevue will not continue to grow in population like they had hoped. Probably decrease has it should. As much as I do not like Omaha seems like the logical place to live. At least you have hospital of choice there. Who actually runs the City I thought it was a strong council weak mayor not the other way around. Seems like the Mayor needs to make up that waste water money some way no matter who it hurts. Too bad to those that live on fixed incomes, I would bet you will see less people call for assistance when they need it because they cannot pay for the services. Most of us live on a budget and a $10,000 fire service fee isn't something I could budget for. I will be looking to mmove shortly.

    Posted by: Tim on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:47 AM
    You guys are a REAL piece of work

    Posted by: Ben on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:46 AM
    OK my house is on fire, please send one big pretty red fire truck or wait is a yellow one cheaper? Also I only want firemen to respond that just started their shift because I dont want to pay overtime for the fireman that is supposed to go home at 4.Sound rediculous?? So does this idea. Geeeezzzeee!!

    Posted by: a former volunteer firefighter on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:45 AM
    Okay Chris in bellevue, how many times have you gotten out of your nice warm bed at 3 am to go drag a hoseline through ice,sleet and snow to save someone's house that you don't know?? Have you driven your neighbor to the emergency dept on Christmas morning? I'm guessing that's a big no. I don't support Bellevue's idea of charging for 911 response because no one should EVER hesitate to call 911. But the communtiy needs to give those people RESPECT because they deserve it. There aren't enough people like those in BVF or LaVista, Ralston, Irvington,Bennington and the other surrounding volunteer fire departments. Those people give up their time and energy for nothing more than a simple thank you. And having done it myself for over five years, it's a LOT of time and energy!! So Chris, I hope to God you never have to call 911 and rely on those on their "indignant high horse" to come save you. Believe me, they see a lot more reality than you ever will!!!

    Posted by: Thom on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:31 AM
    What are the high prop. taxes for then? Will people get charged when they call the cops too? Since the fire calls will become a user fee, will prop. taxes be slashed since they won't have to support the fire dept.

    Posted by: bobsmith on Feb 28, 2008 at 10:08 AM
    This is just another example of how badly Bellevue is being managed. Shame on the city council for even suggesting this. We need to elect people with fiscal sense not political savy.

    Posted by: Lynn on Feb 28, 2008 at 09:47 AM
    I had to call the fire dept to my house one time because I smelled smoke. You wouldhave thought my house was engulfed in flames with all the equipment and trucks that pulled up. Now they want to start charging you for the calls and what trucks respond. That is totally ridiculous!!! Most insurance companies will not pay for repairs on cars if you are involved in an accident without a police report so now we are going to be charged for when a police officergets called to an accident. Isn't it their job to do this and what they already get paid for? What if the fire is caused by someone else such as an arsonist, crews working around your house, etc. Then who gets to pay for it? I think the City of Bellevue is hurting for money so now the want the residents of Bellevue to help "replenish" their budgets. I would rather give the City some money to go out and fix up the parks and ball fields so I can enjoy a day out with my children.

    Posted by: Chris on Feb 28, 2008 at 09:34 AM
    Fire Fighter:  First off, I have benefited from the responce of you and your fellow volunteers.  Thank you for all you do.  With that said, it is hardly something that you provide for free.  You equipment, firehouses, training are all paid for by the the taxpayers of Bellevue.  Not to mention the fact that the very term volunteer is a dubious one in light of the fact that you have deferred compensation in the form of the retirement "stipend" fund.  It is wrong that the city is proposing that the people pay further for a service that we already pay for.  If you resent the attitude, look at it from the point of veiw of the tax payer.  The department does not pay for anything.  Get off you indignant high horse and take a gander at reality for once.

    Posted by: Sally on Feb 28, 2008 at 09:21 AM
    What about those that have no insurance???? Does the fee move on to taxpayers and people that DO have insurance??? Bellevue city council needs to pull their heads out of a certain place and start HELPING people...not hurting. If this bill passes and someone dies because they couldn't afford to call 911, then their blood will be on the city councils hands....shame on you!

    Posted by: the fire department created this on Feb 28, 2008 at 08:52 AM
    Frank, What makes you think Sen. Cornett has anything to do with the fees. You can thank the mayor and current city council for that. As for the legislative bill I have read the bill and all the amendments and it will improve the safety of people in the City of Bellevue. Maybe you should be asking where the missing money from the fire department is. They have been spending frivolously for years wasting taxpayer money. its time to have someone take charge and manage the money and if the volunteers can make all the calls good for them. But I have seen the response time information and when you are counting a police officer as your initial responder to boost the times so you make your goals you are only hurting yourself in the long run as well as the citizens you are sworn to protect it is criminal.

    Posted by: S on Feb 28, 2008 at 08:45 AM
    thanks for running this story. I posted a copy of the ordinance here last night. I am a former member of the bvfd and a bellevue resident and have had to call 911 a few times myself. I would sure hate to see homeowners insurance rates rise. they should have a second thought about people in bellevue that are low income or on a fixed income. I know my mother can't afford any increase.

    Posted by: Nikki on Feb 28, 2008 at 08:20 AM
    I am apalled that they would even consider charging a fee for emergency services. The city of Bellevue should be ashamed of themselves. There are people in this world that will not go to the doctor when they are desperately ill because of the fear of the bill. Can you imagine how many people are going to hesitate in calling 911 for an emergency because of the fear of that bill as well. I am just amazed that they would even consider this. And further more I am certainly glad that I do not live there. I try to look at everything from both sides and understand each persective, I cannot see this at all. The people of Bellevue need to stand up and let the city officials know that this is so very wrong. Shame on you Bellevue officials!!!!

    Posted by: J on Feb 28, 2008 at 07:40 AM
    Sounds like another way to get a paid fire department down there. Insurance policies do have provisions to pay for fire calls - read the fine print.

    Posted by: disgusted on Feb 28, 2008 at 07:18 AM
    Perhaps if our city council had paid attention to its finances over the last 10 years rather than "lifting" funds from places it ought not have been "lifting" from, we wouldn't be here to begin with. I thought the previous mayor and city council was bad...this iteration is WORSE! Do these people have ANY idea what the median income in Bellevue is? Do they have any idea what this "absorption by the insurance companies" will cost us in higher insurance costs that many of us are already having difficulty (thanks to the deflation of the dollar) paying right now? Perhaps if there were some people on the council and the office of mayor who didn't own two houses, five cars and a business, they might understand how this HURTS the people of Bellevue. Thank goodness we're getting rid of at least half of them soon thanks to the new law -- that they also spent Bellevue's money fighting. Shame on them ALL!

    Posted by: Researched on Feb 28, 2008 at 07:01 AM
    I have contacted my insurance company and not only will they not be paying any of these fees, I was told that the person I spoke with has never heard of fees like this. On a positive note, I also research how to recall a mayor. More info to come.

    Posted by: Ronoc on Feb 28, 2008 at 06:39 AM
    This is such a bad idea in so many ways.If a concerned citizen calls about smoke coming from a neighbors house who pays? Renters or landlords get billed? Can anybody argue that the charge would not cause hesitation and delay?

    Posted by: David on Feb 28, 2008 at 06:38 AM
    So if I see my neighbor's house is on fire and I call 911 on their behalf, am I the one that will be charge for making the call? Looks like I will not be making that call anymore. Tough luck neighbor.

    Posted by: ZACH on Feb 28, 2008 at 06:26 AM
    Now that our Mayor has spent the money of every dime the city has .He needs to find a way to pay it back (WASTE WATER FUND THAT VANISHED) now he wants to start ripping off citizens of bellevue in their times of need. Why doesn't he spend more time attracting big business to bellevue? That's right it would require him to work full time , and thats not something he is willing to do. Then you have his City Administer who said he would move to the city of bellevue after he got hired . He has yet to do that, so these fees and higher taxes will not effect him as he lives in omaha. Where they pay one tax for their fire service, and anything done in bellevue will not effect him. It is time the citizens of bellevue stand up and recall the BABBALING BABBIT!! I miss MAYOR JERRY RYAN he would never have let things come to this!

    Posted by: Shirley on Feb 28, 2008 at 05:33 AM
    I'm all for it if it brings us closer to PAID services, not dependent on volunteers who have other responsibilities.

    Posted by: bellevue volunteer firefighter on Feb 28, 2008 at 03:25 AM
    As a Bellevue Volunteer Firefighter, I am appalled at the city and our mayor for even attempting to charge citizens a fee, and an outlandshish fee at that, for a service that I and my fellow responders provide for FREE. Shame on the city and our elected leaders for even proposing this ordinance and making people think twice about calling 911. The Bellevue Volunteer Fire Department provides a FREE fire service and a $500 amblulance service only if a citizen chooses to pay it and the department is still able to buy and maintain the best equipment you can find anywhere. No citizen should ever have to think twice about calling 911, ever, and these stupid, yes stupid, fees would make even me concerned about calling 911 because I cannot afford thousands of dollars. The city says insurance will pay for it, right? Show me the company that will and I will eat my shorts.

    Posted by: Frank on Feb 28, 2008 at 12:16 AM
    You have really got to see this Ordinance for yourself. Lets see, the City can't handle its money so it goes after the fire department. In doing so, it found out that there isn't as much money as they thought. But wait, lets charge more money for emergency responses. That will fix everything. NOT! The City of Bellevue has embarked down a road that will cause further deterioration of the City with the assistance of Senator Cornett. Fueled by the fire union, the bill, if passed, will not improve public safety, read it in its current form as amended. It should contain another amendment, one for a full time mayor for cities over 20,000. To all of the elected officials, we are watching this very closely. You should also probably hold the March 10th council meeting in one of the high school auditoriums. You could probably get it cheaper than $500.00 an hour.

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