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Former city committee member believes downtown site selected
Posted: 6:12 PM Feb 4, 2008
Last Updated: 8:40 PM Feb 4, 2008
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How to keep the College World Series in Omaha for decades? New numbers of the options have the costs rising. A downtown stadium in the Qwest Center parking lot is estimated to cost $130-$140 million.

Renovating Rosenblatt Stadium falls into the $70-$80 million range, but is there more to it than just the money?

A baseball stadium built in parking lot C northwest of the Qwest Center would take away close to 900 parking spots, spaces the city says it would replace if the decision is made to build there.

The mayor and his committee have until the end of April to convince taxpayers and the NCAA of plans to build brand new or renovate Rosenblatt.

"They have the greatest PR and they have the greatest ability to put communications out there to show why people should change their minds and think about a downtown stadium despite the fact that so many people want to save Rosenblatt,” says Jason Smith of the Save Rosenblatt Committee.

If Omaha misses the deadline, college baseball can court other cities to host the College World Series. The new stadium idea in parking lot C outside the Qwest Center seems to be the favorite.

MECA, which leases the property from the city doesn't believe losing the lot is good for the $300 million convention center's future. And how do taxpayers pay for it?

MECA’s David Sokol wrote to the stadium committee. "The first and perhaps most important question is how can a city with such severe financial problems as a $1 billion sewer repair project, $500-$700 million unfunded pension and health care obligations afford to spend an incremental $60-$70 million on this project when it is not necessary?"

When it comes to Rosenblatt or even a new stadium, the head of the CWS stadium committee Ken Stinson replied to the Sokol letter that cost isn't the only concern writing, "The recommendation of the best alternative for the community may therefore come down to a number of significant issues beyond the issue of affordability."

Sokol, who quit the stadium committee, believes it's already decided on a downtown site. Could a lawsuit challenging the location scare away the NCAA?

"I don't think anybody wants to see a lawsuit, that would be a real problem for the CWS and the continuation of the CWS,” says Omaha city attorney Paul Kratz.

Any lawsuit on a fast track could take two years to decide. The CWS contract expires in two years.

When will taxpayers get to hear the plans? Initially it was expected to happen at a MECA board meeting on Wednesday, but those plans have been scrapped.

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Posted by: LLR on Feb 7, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I don't go to the Qwest Center now as it is because I am overtaxed and can't afford it.You can't get a decent seat for a decent attraction for under $150 it seems. And that's provided some "fan club" doesn't snap up all the tickets before you ever get a chance. Not to mention parking. So trust me, JON, I'll stay away from the Qwest AND the new baseball stadium if it is built in north downtown.

Posted by: Patrick on Feb 7, 2008 at 10:17 AM
If the mayor were doing his job, we wouldn't have areas known as the "armpits" of the city. Instead of annexing other areas against their will and destroying them, Omaha needs to face its responsibilities, like the pension funds and sewer project. My God! I never thought we'd find someone who could make Hal Daub look like a saint.

Posted by: Jon on Feb 6, 2008 at 04:30 PM
I just find it funny that many of the people living around the current stadium support the movement to keep the stadium saying that it brings economic benefit to the area. Yet, none of that benefit is used to clean up the area for the guests of the event. I just think that a brand new stadium would attact even more people to the event. But maybe we should keep it at Rosenblatt so all the people around the stadium can get their 20 bucks for parking each year while the area continues to be soooo tourist friendly. And if LLR doesnt want to take any chances in a parking lot near the quest center GOOD, dont go to any event in this town then, because that is where they all are.

Posted by: Dan on Feb 6, 2008 at 02:20 PM
In regard to why he supports Obama for President, Fahey said, "Give me a guy who wants to sit down with the other side and seek solutions." Apparently this attitude does not apply when the other side is the majority of Omaha taxpayers and they disagree with the mayor's stadium plans.

Posted by: LLR on Feb 6, 2008 at 09:26 AM
WOW if Jon thinks South Omaha is the "armpit" of the city I suppose that NORTH Omaha is the height of luxury??!! GET REAL. I'd go to Rosenblatt ANY day than take my chances north of the Qwest Center. Tanks, but NO thanks.

Posted by: BuildItDowntown on Feb 6, 2008 at 01:19 AM
Fahey is doing his job to bring the CWS into a 21st century venue. Other cities have built new stadiums and we continue to put band aids on a dump. While other cities are improving, some want to freeze omaha where it is, and it will ultimately fall behind other cities.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 5, 2008 at 05:45 PM
Ok check this out omaha, we already have Quest center (which is already in debt) already over taxed, and we have a PENDING LAWSUIT comming at us because of the inmate that died in city jail, now this moroon Fahey wants a new ball field Mr mayor dont you think we should pay a few things off before you get us MORE in DEBT? I cant believe this its absurd, I live in s.omaha and its not trashy we have trashy areas all over omaha why doesnt the mayor worry about cleaning them up before he decides to put us in more debt, FAHEY quit spending money we dont have, or maybe he needs to take a cut in pay to help pay for it

Posted by: T on Feb 5, 2008 at 05:35 PM
To Larry - Fahey is not really the mayor, Paul Landow is. Fahey just takes his trips and let's Landow run the show.

Posted by: M on Feb 5, 2008 at 04:08 PM
Jon, South O is not trashy. There are trashy area's in all parts of omaha including the beloved West O. I resent that you sterotype my area as trashy - and I live in a neigborhood where all the houses are 10 years old.

Posted by: Bill on Feb 5, 2008 at 03:54 PM
John, I resent your snide comments about the area around Rosenblatt is the armpit of Omaha. I guess you were born with a silver spoon in your mouth. I would advise you to get a life!

Posted by: Dale on Feb 5, 2008 at 03:07 PM
The mayor is stalling....so a sense of urgency come April will force us all to except higher taxes for a new stadium meanwhile our streets in west Omaha remain two lanes......

Posted by: Ken on Feb 5, 2008 at 03:04 PM
Ken Stinson wrote that "the best alternative" may be "beyond the issue of affordability." Does Stinson's logic scare anyone else? Basically, "the best alternative" might not be affordable. We've been warned.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 5, 2008 at 02:56 PM
J - Sue's division is fine. She's using Fahey Math, which presumes the final cost of the stadium.

Posted by: Patrick on Feb 5, 2008 at 02:39 PM
I have $140 million; do I hear $150 million? $150 million? I have $150 million! Can I get $160 million? There! $180 million! How about $200 million? Can I get $200 million for this beautiful downtown stadium? Look at all the extra features packed into...$200 million!! I have $200 million. Do I hear $225 million? $220 million! I'm looking for $230 million. $230 million. I have $220 million. Who will give me $230 million for...$250 million!!! I have $250 million from the gentleman with the gaggle of lawyers. I need to hear $275 million. This is the finest downtown stadium you'll ever see! Who will give me $275 million? $275 million. $275 million. I have $250 million from the gentleman with the youthful grey sideburns. Will someone give me $260 million? I need to hear $260 million. $260 million. Anyone with $260 million? Okay, $250 million going once! $250 million going twice...

Posted by: T on Feb 5, 2008 at 02:13 PM
To "NotaMathTeacher": You need to look at the whole balance sheet/income stmt not just one transaction. That $200MM in revenue I'm sure is already earmarked to fund the cities current debt load. I don't know about you but I look at a company's ability to cash flow their total debt load not just one project. I'd be willing to bet the city is quite leveraged already without this new stadium idea.

Posted by: RM on Feb 5, 2008 at 02:08 PM
I hope I can afford to live here until I retire but Fahey is making that harder to do. The cost of a new ball park just keeps going up no surprisse there. If it's going to cost 130 million to keep the college world series here then send them packing.

Posted by: Kameron on Feb 5, 2008 at 01:56 PM
I think we should stick with fixing up Rosenblatt. It is a Historical Landmark. I don't see anything wrong with Rosenblatt. Downtown gets the business regardless of where the stadium is. Besides, I dont think the community can take much more in taxes. We have more debts than money right now.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 5, 2008 at 01:48 PM
Let's see. Taxes are up, crime is up, police/fire retirements are up, city services are lacking but we need a new ball park downtown. Doesn't seem to make sense to me. King Fahey has run amuk and it's time for the peasants (Omaha)to solve this problem. The only person making any sense in this has resigned from the commision that was looking at this issue. The decision has already been made people. We will have a new ballpark like it or not.

Posted by: NotaMathTeacher on Feb 5, 2008 at 01:25 PM
Help me understand something (since there are so many economists posting here about the cost and taxes) $200 M/ year in revenue @ 20 yrs is $ 400 BILLION. $180 M / 20 years is $ 9 M / year payback. Lets just say 10% of the $200 m / yr goes toward payback ($191 M x .10), that = $19.1 M / year. How does building a new stadium not make sense when look at the payback of $9 M out of 10% of $200 M / year in revenue. And this is NOT including the increase in taxes if we lose the CWS. No more whining, please, just simple facts....

Posted by: Larry on Feb 5, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Has anyone else noticed, when Fahey is shown in the media, he is always accompanied by a group of lawyers. Every issue he tries to make go his way, he does so through lawyers, legal avenues and loopholes. He never seems to care about what the citizens of Omaha have to say. If he did, he could just put this whole thing to a vote and be done with it. But again, the lawyers say that legally he doesn't have to......GO FIGURE!

Posted by: Jon on Feb 5, 2008 at 12:07 PM
They should build the new stadium downtown. The real reason that they want it is because the CWS is being held at a stadium in the middle of the armpit of Omaha. South Omaha and the area around the current stadium is trashy. I wouldnt travel across the country to spend a week in south omaha.

Posted by: Tony on Feb 5, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Creighton wants a new ballpark but they are to dinky to have to pay for it. They will use it just like they do the Qwest now and whine if anyone else plays there just like the Qwest. Omaha is simply bowing to the will of Creighton.

Posted by: Chris on Feb 5, 2008 at 10:20 AM
Here's the deal! Omaha wants to make all the residents to paty for something that half of the city doesnt even use. A baseball field.. Council Bluffs has the money to build it from all the money that they rake in from the Casino's. Well why not Council Bluffs, It would just bring more money to the city of CB to have it here.

Posted by: Dan on Feb 5, 2008 at 09:51 AM
So, $140M downtown or $80M at Rosenblatt? Well if Sen. John Synowiecki's bill passes, the state would kick in $20M to rebuild Rosenblatt. That means the city only needs to come up with about $60M. According to Ken Stinson, the NCAA would be willing to sign a 20 year deal at a rebuilt Rosenblatt. Just how much private money is out there for a downtown stadium? Is it enough to make up the $80M gap between the two plans? Oh, that's right Fahey and Stinson don't want to talk in public about any of this until after a decision is made and Kiewit gets the job to build the $140M stadium. So much for open meetings.

Posted by: D on Feb 5, 2008 at 09:45 AM
The citizens of this area are already taxed enough. Unless private donations help with the major portion of this, I say let it go. Our local gov't already made bad decisions and Iowa (Council Bluffs) are reaping the benefits of it.

Posted by: GM on Feb 5, 2008 at 09:30 AM
I'm in favor of the building of A new stadium, and alway's have been, I just think you need to stay away from Downtown, all I can vision is A traffic nightmare. I think it would make more sense to build out west, more room, and A zillion places to eat. Lodging is no issue, CWS fans stay all over the city the way it is.

Posted by: IMPEACH FAHEY on Feb 5, 2008 at 09:13 AM
David Sokol for Mayor!

Posted by: Jake on Feb 5, 2008 at 09:09 AM
WAKE UP OMAHA......YOU ARE BEING HOODWINKED & BAMBOOZELD BY A CROOKED MAYOR!

Posted by: J on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:55 AM
Sue - your division skills need to be updated. New stadium = $140 million. Update Rosenblatt = $70-80Million thats 1/2 the cost of a new stadium, not one third.

Posted by: J on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:54 AM
Hey M - Maybe you should call up Dr. Simmons, because he was interviewed recently, and he said that they would be exploring options to acquire the land. Shows what you know... they actually do want the land to expand. Which other direction are they going to expand? Can't go into Iowa... can't go much further South... their only real option is to buy up Rosenblatt and go north.

Posted by: Jo on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:48 AM
Don't gloss over the 900 parking space problem. Fahey has been looking for reasons to build more parking ramps for years. Qwest would benefit from enclosed ramp parking. We as taxpayers lose, since we have to pay for the ramps as well. Let Council Bluffs have it. Maybe they can put it at their end of the pedestrian bridge. That would at least provide a reason for that ridiculous expense.

Posted by: Tom on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:34 AM
It's time we unloaded the mayor and some of the city counsel members because they seem to think they have the right to waist 100’s of millions of tax dollars. Why he and some of the counsel want to spend up to 200 million for a ball park we can’t afford and don’t need. When the elections come around we need only remember the Hilton, bridge over the river, the police/fire contracts, and all the wasted lost money to architects for the bridge and other comities. It doesn’t matter what party we belong to. We just need to remember who to vote out.

Posted by: T on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:27 AM
Unfortunately when this stadium gets built downtown, because there really was no other options despite what Fidel Castro, er um I mean Mike Fahey has said. The supposedly "unbiased" committee that was chosen will all benefit from a downtown stadium and when our property taxes go up again, and they will, all these people who wanted this stupid downtown stadium can pay the incremental difference. Downtown parking is a mess already, remove 900 of those spots and it's going to be a nightmare. They say they will replace those spots...Where? North Omaha..uh no thanks. Don't need to be carjacked when I walk to my car at night after a game. Mayor Fahey lacks the business acumen to know how to profitability run a city. The guy is a joke!

Posted by: BoBo on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:19 AM
We all know who's pulling the strings here. The same old geezers that stand on the stage with the pretty young things at the "Coronation Ball". This was decided a long time ago. These guys don't want your vote on the issue, just your money.

Posted by: A on Feb 5, 2008 at 08:05 AM
So much for the people having a say. Fahey has already made up his mind and he is going to do whatever it takes to get done his way no matter what the cost, dollars or otherwise. I can't wait till we can vote on a new mayor...at least we'll be able to vote on that!

Posted by: steve on Feb 5, 2008 at 07:57 AM
just another reason why we need to get fahey out of office we don't need a new staduim we need to use the one we have and renovate if need be. the idea of spending this much money is insane to me for something like this when we have so many more important isuues to deal with. if we stopped worrying so much about things like this that we don't need and start worrying about the important issues we would have a much better omaha. it is time for fahey to step down and someone else to come in and deal with the real issues we are facing here in omaha

Posted by: Karin on Feb 5, 2008 at 06:48 AM
For $140 million why don't we build an amusement park that could be used 6 months out of the year and also that would bring in alot of tax revenue and alot of jobs. Fahey is going to bankrupt this city with all his sweetheart deals

Posted by: dc on Feb 5, 2008 at 06:26 AM
Council Bluffs.Please step up and save us from ourselves!!

Posted by: Bill on Feb 5, 2008 at 05:05 AM
Mayor fahey and his planning committee(gang) blew it. If this thing ends up in court, do you think the NCAA will give the city more time? This will be their way of telling Mayor Fahey and his gang to "kiss off"! The time that has been spent on this matter is a joke and an embarassment to the citizens of Omaha. The solution WAS simple - IMPROVE ROSENBLATT! The only thing the Mayor was interested in was taxing the citizens of this town, without their votes, and to line his pockets and his rich friends at the tax payer's expense. What a joke!

Posted by: Sue on Feb 5, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Did anyone really believe the outcome would be different? Mayor Fahey hand picked a committee of businessmen that would benefit if a new stadium was built downtown. With the soaring property taxes and utility rates hitting us now, as well as future increases to come, due to the sewer projects and new power plants, as well as the pensions coming due, the percentage that the city has to pay on the pedestrian bridge, and the payments that have to be made if the Qwest and adjoining Hilton don't make their quota. Where is all this money suppose to come from? And do you really believe it will stop at $140 million? My guess is over $200 million by the end of it. The Rosenblatt can be refurbished for about a third of the cost. Putting it downtown would be a logistical nightmare! It will create even more expenses when the reality hits that streets will have to be rerouted and reconstructed again down in that area. Where will it end? I want the citizens of Omaha to vote on this!

Posted by: Dave on Feb 5, 2008 at 12:15 AM
If hotels and restiraunts are the issue for the NCAA why not build in an undeveloped area out west where many more rewsturaunts and hotels can be built than there are in downtown? Why not?? Because its more about downtown not the NCAA and the CWS

Posted by: over taxed-payer on Feb 4, 2008 at 11:58 PM
I t always amazes me how goverment is run. Even City Goverment, we elect the people that promise us what we want to hear and they turn around and do the exact opposite. The perfect example, Mayor Fahey, he gives the Democratic party a bad name. All I want to know is when he ran for office he promised he would run this city like a business. No spending where there is no money. Did anyone tell him, there is no money? This city is broke, between the giving up of the Police jail and the sewer project and the short fall of City pension funds and and and...taxes can pay for only so much. I am moving to Iowa at least they have gambling hence a tax relief. Anyone game? Move with me it will be worthit....

Posted by: DB on Feb 4, 2008 at 10:29 PM
We're talking about the government spending here. Why spending $80 Million when you can spend $140 Million?

Posted by: M on Feb 4, 2008 at 10:19 PM
To all who think the zoo will use the land- The Zoo DOESN'T want the Rosenblatt area - they don't need it to expand. Don't believe me, ask Doc Simmons. Also, 30 million is still owed on Rosenblatt - Should the stadium be built in downtown (which will cost too much and cause major traffic and parking issues), Rosenblatt will just be a vacant lot.

Posted by: S on Feb 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Send it to c.b. Im tired of all the whiners in this state, do this, no! do that. Its all politics-hence its all crooked, Im willing to bet no matter what it wont be a nebraska contractor that does the work anyway, whatever the decision I will spend all my money in sarpy, dodge or lancaster counties so im not payin for it, Lets not do anything foolish like casinos that can bring in 20 million a month. nooooooo lets spend 200 million on a stupid ball park. Im out to much for me! Last one out of the state of Nebraska, please turn out the lights!

Posted by: Josh on Feb 4, 2008 at 09:34 PM
Build it downtown! Sink $80M into Rosenblatt? There is nothing for hotels or restaurants around there. You could walk to/from the Old Market to the downtown site. A new ballpark would get Omaha a longer deal and Royal attendance WOULD go up. Look at what new ballparks did for Memphis and Oklahoma City. Plus in the World Herald they said that the downtown site will receive a lot more private dollars plus naming rights. First National Park? UP Yards? I understand people not wanting taxes to go up, hopefully the extra private dollars would keep the cost down for us. I appreciate people having good memories of Rosenblatt but the new ballpark makes more sense to me.

Posted by: assume on Feb 4, 2008 at 09:04 PM
Why would we assume that the zoo is going to get the land that CWS is on? They have already said they can not afford it and it is under lien even if they are interested in it. They would have to buy that out and it is to much!!!

Posted by: J on Feb 4, 2008 at 09:01 PM
This story didn't cover everything - they forgot to say that if we build a NEW stadium, we can charge some company millions to put their name on it. Not to mention, a ton of private donations would go to a new stadium... not so for remodeling Rosenblatt. We need a new stadium; no matter what Jason Smith says. So many people don't want to save rosenblatt, so many people just don't want to pay for a new stadium. Here's an idea: charge everybody who wants a stand there a larger fee. Make Budweiser, Coors, and Miller pay higher fees for putting up tents in a college world series. I think their $7 beer is giving them enough profit as it is. We need the city, and Mayor Fahey isn't telling us all the ways to pay for it, but I'm 100% sure it wouldn't all come from the taxpayers. So all of you need to stop acting like you're going to be dishing out your cash for the new stadium. David Sokol comes off concerned about taxes, but with his income, I don't think he really is...

Posted by: J on Feb 4, 2008 at 08:57 PM
Not my city, not my mayor, BUT - just WHERE is Omaha going to get the other 900 parking spots??? Ever try to go downtown when there is something big going on at the Qwest? Ever try to get past the interstate off-ramps to Rosenblatt during CWS - during the day? Now, put that traffic downtown, with everyone that works downtown added to the mix. You've got people working and parking. There go those parking spots that normally get re-used for a night-time event. Now, how are the people who work downtown supposed to get to and from work during the CWS? I just don't see how this will work from a traffic or parking standpoint.

Posted by: Tom on Feb 4, 2008 at 07:31 PM
Omaha does not need a new stadium. Omaha needs a new mayor.

Posted by: Rich on Feb 4, 2008 at 07:12 PM
Way to go mayor Fahey. You could cost this city mroe than just money, It could cost years of tradition. Would the mayor or any of the supporters of the downtown stadium spend their money as freely as they are spending the taxpayers money? The mayor is going to bury this city in debt and then go back to his millionaire lifestyle. How much time does the mayor spend in the city anyway? The mayor and Landow are going to scare off the NCAA and not really care, they will probably move from the city when the mayor is out of office.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 4, 2008 at 07:11 PM
FORGET about when we get to hear about it, I want to know WHEN we get to vote on it? This city is flat broke!! And so are the people who will be forced to pay for this folly!! The school that I attended taught us that we REALLY had a say in ALL of government. Was I lied to? Or am I being lied to now?

Posted by: stan on Feb 4, 2008 at 06:53 PM
I'm not sure if we need a new stadium or not, but can we quit using the NoDo moniker? Cheesy.

Posted by: WOW! on Feb 4, 2008 at 06:37 PM
$130-140 million!!! Fahey is trying to keep this all under wraps, after MECA decided to hold an open meeting, Fahey decides to pull out of the meeting - and this has to be done by the end of March to meet the NCAA timetable - anyone else sense that the fix is in between Fahey and this hand picked study committee???? I hope Sokol keeps to his guns and brings this whole boondoggle out into the sunshine!

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 4, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Downtown makes the most sense since it will be surrounded by hotels and restaurants which the NCAA wants. the cws and royals will be able to grow downtown and the zoo will be able to grow on the rosenblatt land.

Posted by: Anonymous on Feb 4, 2008 at 06:26 PM
Fahey wants nothing to come in his way of building a new stadium. This is such a huge mess and I believe that the public should be able to vote on the issue. The cost for the new stadium keeps rising and by the time it would be done, it would probably be 200 million.

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