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Air Force Families Booted From Base Housing Save Email Print
Prank leads to evictions
Posted: 10:51 PM Sep 3, 2008
 Last Updated: 11:44 PM Sep 3, 2008
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Two Air Force wives find themselves in the middle of a battle here on the home front, a war of words that's forcing them to move from base housing.

The two rank their friendship with matching tattoos. "We're best friends," said Sally Mikat. "We're best friends," said Ammie Ennis.

Their freedom to be friends is being restricted by the private company that runs base housing. Rising View ordered that Mikat can't go within a 100 feet of Ennis’ rental home at 28th and Capehart in Bellevue.

“Our husbands are fighting for our freedoms and I can't even go see my friend because the landlord said no," says Mikat.

“It's grade school, it's ha, ha we're going to see what we can do,” says Ennis. “We think you're bad and when you guys get together you feed off each other."

The dispute started at the curb of Ammie's base house that the landlord made ‘no parking’ after a complaint from a military neighbor, a move mocked by the two women with chalk mark outlines of themselves. The two women weren't made to look threatening like a dead body, but rather like they were jumping over the caution tape on the barricades in front of the house.

Ammie and Sally say housing management viewed the body outlines as possible hate threats aimed at the neighbor. “There was no malicious intent, we were frustrated and we were trying to make the best of a bad situation,” says Ennis.

Their husbands are stationed at Offutt, but both have been ordered by the civilian landlord to move their families out of base rental houses by the end of September.

“I've lived here within this housing for seven years, never been in trouble, never had a write-up. Then I do a chalk outline and I'm kicked to the curb along with my children,” says Mikat.

Sally says they're still looking, but Ammie's family found a rental home in Sarpy County. They can't park the moving truck in front of the base house they've been ordered to leave. "I think it's definitely singling me out and making an example."

The landlord has ordered both women to stay away from the other neighbor's base house. A property director says privacy laws prevent her from commenting. That only adds to the mystery here.

When the notices were received that the leases will not be renewed, no written explanation was provided.
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Posted by: Steve on Dec 10, 2008 at 12:11 PM
I've had problems with base housing too (though not as bad). They claimed that the mold growing in my carpet (under furniture) was caused by pet urine, and therefore was my issue to deal with, not theirs. I also had a friend that they tried to bill during his out-processing for damages that he not only had marked on his move-in sheet, but they had billed the last residents for when they moved out.
Posted by: Crystal on Sep 18, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I can not believe housing would be so cold to throw these families out over chalk outlines. There are so many other things going on in this world. I feel horrible for Sally and her family seeing as they have to leave their home with a baby on the way. Way to put families first rising view! Hope you and the chief are proud of yourselves!
Posted by: Brian on Sep 16, 2008 at 12:44 PM
Stop using the board to voice a personal vendetta and stick to the facts. They were issued a crap no-contact order by housing that was completely unenforceable. They were issued non-renewal notices over a chalk outline. These 2 have the complete support of their spouses AND the entire chain of command. Shame on you for attacking Sally as a person. She is good hearted individual who has done nothing wrong. Shame on you for bringing her marriage into this. I know for a fact her husband is extremely proud of her for the way she has handled herself.Finally, shame on you for telling Ammie to choose a better friend. Ammie and Sally have been there for each other through thick and thin. THAT is what makes a friendship. The very fact that this has all happened to them has saddened us as a community. This treatment never should have happened to these ladies. We, as a community, should stand up for what we know is right. Allowing this to happen is unacceptable at Offutt AFB.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 15, 2008 at 06:29 PM
Quite frankly I cant believe that this post is still going....You people (namely Sally Mikat) need to get a life. Don't you have anything going for you? I can't believe that your husband has put up with your antics all these years...As for Ammie I'd get better friends.
Posted by: TSA on Sep 15, 2008 at 09:17 AM
The Chief is nothing more than a little boy being a punk. There is a huge difference between an E9 and a Chief. A Chief is respected, whereas, an E9 normally got there on the backs of others, stepping on lives and careers to get to the top. In reference to the E9, refer to him as boy-man from here on out. As for the boy-man's daughter, she needs to go to jail.
Posted by: PMS on Sep 14, 2008 at 07:35 AM
Our tax dollars at work. If this is what we can expect from privitized housing for our military families, it would be easier to just build homes "for" military families. You can't call it base housing if you can't protect the purpose of the name. Rising View should have their contract voided, they violated their own policies and procedures and should face penalties from the military for violating those policies. Isn't the contract with the military? Didn't they provide a set of policies to the military to obtain the contract, well if they did and didn't follow those policies, didn't they violate the contract? Or was it just the common laws of respect to their clients, (their BAH income)? If Rising View doesn't deal with Dora, they don't deserve the contract. It's my understanding it's a 50 year contract, what happens to the military families when no one feels safe to live there? Rising View raises their prices to rent to the public and it is no longer military housing, their goal?
Posted by: neighbor on Sep 11, 2008 at 02:22 PM
Interesting sub-note. Yesterday Ammie finalized her move from Capehart housing. Today the yellow "no parking" was painted white. More covering up?
Posted by: HHMM! on Sep 11, 2008 at 02:16 PM
So you ready for this? Ammie completely moved out yesterday and housing came last night and painted the curb white so people can park there now? So explain that one to me? Wow, ridiculous!
Posted by: Lea... Again on Sep 11, 2008 at 02:10 PM
Funny how the curb was painted white now that the Enniss' have moved. Hmmmm What should we think of that?
Posted by: anon on Sep 11, 2008 at 11:41 AM
tiff, the van wasn't "rammed". it had a couple scratches on it. but i'm sure you didn't see it. and the daughter didn't "scream" at anyone...interesting how people continue to twist this story around, on both sides.
Posted by: neighbor on Sep 11, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Yes, 2 sides to a story,there are always 2 sides to a story. Isn't that the point to all of this? We will assume all involved are real good hearted people. The point seems to be that everyone except the 2 ladies had their side stated. The chief was upset because he and his family had to deal with a limited parking area. Everyone in Capehart has to deal with limited parking space. Seems to be a bit of immaturity on all sides. He went to another neighbor and housing complaining BEFORE approaching this neighbor about about the parking situation. His daughter hit another neighbor's car. No adult responsibility was taken by the Chief. In fact there was an attempt to hide the accident. Did the other neighbors interpretate the drawing as hateful? The chief is not the only family on the street. The shirts were contacted. This situation was handled badly by all concern. The higher the rank the higher the standards.
Posted by: Tiff on Sep 11, 2008 at 08:58 AM
Well, I do have a couple more things to add to my previous comment. If a maturity scale were to be brought in, how would it read. The chalk drawings were immature, definitely, but has anyone considered the accusing neighbor's actions as immature? He, as one mature commenter wrote, "used his words," I suppose. He used them to call housing and expect something to change because people were parking in a spot where, as I understand it, parking IS permitted. Now, it was said that this neighor and his family felt "threatened" by the ladies and their drawings. What exactly did he "fear" they would do? If someone has grounds for fearing their neighbor, I believe it would be the gentleman (and family) whose van was rammed in a hit and run by the accusing neighbor's daughter. The accusing neighbor's daughter has also rolled her window down and screamed at Ammie and the family who's van she hit (allegedly on purpose and supposedly didn't realize it). There is much more I could write...
Posted by: annoyed on Sep 11, 2008 at 08:49 AM
"2 sides..." did you see the chalk drawings? If you did you would have seen what they were for what they were...NOTHING. The 2 ladies tried to make best of a bad situation even though it was not a good idea but they are not in the wrong here. The chief never saw the drawings in person. How can you call it a "hate crime" if you aren't even there to see it. The 1st shirts did not act accordingly and are under question now with their commanders; not to mention one isn't even a 1st shirt, he's a fill in. Besides do you know how a hate crime is determined? They have to prove the offender's actions are motivated by bias towards a group of peoplebased on religion, sexual orientation, race, disability, or ethinc/national origin. Those simple chalk drawings of the women with their ponytail and long curly hair do not make up a hate crime.
Posted by: Tiff on Sep 11, 2008 at 08:42 AM
Well, I'd like to know who the heck "Anonymous" and "Military" are. Could I guess, maybe housing and the chief? I'll admit that I know one of the chalk drawing women. I thought about making this anonymous, but what is the point? What Ammie and Sally did was immature and deserving of a verbal or even written reprimand (a don't let it happen again type of thing), but not eviction. Could someone please tell me what kind of "hate" or "threat" a chalk drawing with a funny face involves? Would this have been taken as seriously if the neighbor was an e-3, or is this housing company taking this to the most ridiculous extreme because of the neighbor's rank? I've lived in army housing, and it is separated by rank for a reason! Not only for the benefit of the higher ranking officials, but also for the benefit of lower ranking soldiers so that no one can "pull rank."
Posted by: PMS on Sep 11, 2008 at 08:38 AM
To the 2 sides to a story, had Dora followed procedure and acted professional, both sides would have been heard and this article would have never been in the news, duh. I commend the 2 ladies for using chalk-drawings to express their frustrations, as a mental health worker, there is nothing childish about it, the only thing that was childish was the reaction of Dora and the Chief and a "good hearted person" would not have told a perfict stranger to "kiss his you know what" when asked a simple question, we call that "rudeness". Had Rising View taken care of the issue with the Chief's parking problem right from the start, this would never have happened. Rising View failed the 2 families by not following their own policies and procedures and Dora, who has worked for them for years, failed to follow policy, she allowed the Chief to dictate the outcome, we reap what we sew. The 2 ladies did approch the problem like adults, it was Rising View that failed and reacted in a childish manner.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 11, 2008 at 07:41 AM
If this chief was such a great guy, then how come him and his family have been nothing but rude and disrespectful to everyone on that street since they first moved it? If he was such a great guy, why did this chief tell one of the women to kiss his you know what BEFORE any of this happened? Yeah, I wanna be just like him when I sew on chief. He's a GREAT EXAMPLE! Remember the old adage....THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK. And how in the hell do you get hate threat out of silly chalk outlines? Those are pretty strong words for someone who didn't even SEE IT. If he was so threatened by the chalk outlines, why wasn't sarpy county police called in? The SP's did NOTHING to these women because NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED! The chief must think he's so important that all these women did was sit around and plot how to get back at him. Pah-lease! This neighborhood was so much more peaceful BEFORE HE MOVED IN.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 11, 2008 at 07:27 AM
What hate sketch? Did you stop to think that they tried that? These women never denied the fact that what they did was childish. But it was not aimed at anyone. For this man to say it was a hate threat when he wasn't even in the state is pretty assanine. The first shirts were called in and they tried pulling crap on these women too. I think the chief with having been in for 20 years should have conducted himself with more restraint before throwing out a hate crime accusation at 2 mothers whose spouses were deployed. Clearly, he took advantage of a bad situation.
Posted by: 2 sides to a story on Sep 10, 2008 at 08:33 PM
i know this chief real well. And he's a real good hearted person..all i can say is we have to remember there is always 2 sides to a story. the 2 ladies made this real immature by chalking in 2 figures. Why couldn't have they just approached the problem like adults to Rising View or quiet possibly approached it with their husbands 1st shirts, chiefs or commanders prior to making chalk signs which could easily be interpurrated as a hate sketch.
Posted by: drawing is the "hate crime" on Sep 10, 2008 at 08:24 PM
They claimed that her drawing a chalk outline of HERSELF (complete with hairstyle) was a hate crime (death threat) to the neighbor. An OUTRAGEOUS and hurtful accusation with NO merit, and then they kicked her out of her house because of this alleged hate crime. Mind you, this was the housing manager NOT law enforcement.
Posted by: clueless in NE on Sep 10, 2008 at 07:38 PM
Their chalk outlines were taken to be offensive by the housing director. The chief considered them to be a hate crime....
Posted by: one question on Sep 10, 2008 at 12:26 PM
I have read this story a couple times. I have one question. What was the hate crime? Many things have been revealed through out the blogs that were not in the story. I still don't understand what was considered hateful.
Posted by: Agree on Sep 10, 2008 at 08:50 AM
With you "Curious". What is going to happen to her husband? an LOR? an atricle 15? canceled line #? What happens to him or does it not apply such as in the chief's case? Because that's not prefferential treatment is it?
Posted by: TSA on Sep 10, 2008 at 06:42 AM
Get a lawyer. Don't move out, force an eviction. Continue to associate with your friend. They can not dictate your behavior unless it's illegal. Forth, call the Inspector General and file a complaint. Fifth, Go to Craigslist and post and form a military and veterans peaceful demonstration. Sixth, I don't advocate violence. Be professional, steadfast, and resolved. You're being hosed. Lastly, keep the media informed.
Posted by: Curious in Bellevue on Sep 9, 2008 at 10:20 PM
If everyone is so concerned about what is going to happen to the husbands of these women, what is going to happen to the housing directors husband with HER conduct?
Posted by: PMS on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:13 PM
I have read all the blogs, some understand the seriousness of this situation and some haven't got a clue. To those who understand, my faith in the fact that as a people we still have compassion and a brain is warmed at the heart. To those who don't seem to have a clue or don't seem to care, I feel sorry for you. Our nation is not a nation of fear or intimidation and for those who think they can or need to bend the lives of people through lies, threats and intimidation must have a low self-esteem. We are a post 911 nation, we do not fear what is right, our rights we have earned through blood, sweat and lives lost is too prescious to give up to lies and intimidation. Ladies, you have been wronged and your rights violated, stand tall and proud, you have nothing to fear.
Posted by: wondering on Sep 9, 2008 at 03:00 PM
to whatever/dr feelgood: I'm sorry you feel that way, but the facts are still the facts. The truth should never be hidden. You can not do things in the dark and not expect them not to show in the light of day. No life isn't fair, but shouldn't ALL parties take some responsibilty for their actions? If it was your car that was hit would it be minor? If it was your friend that you were illegally prohibited from seeing would you be upset? If someone's perception of you was grossly incorrect would you not want it corrected? How would you feel if you were ordered not to smoke a stinking cigarette on your front porch? If you were forced from your home because your neighbor had more clout would it still be petty?
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Karma bites those most in need indeed...Life sure is grand.
Posted by: Lea on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:54 AM
Oh and was it mentioned that the daughter also REFUSED to give a statement to the Security Forces until her father was present. (but noooo she didn't realize she hit a car) Now if anyone wants to talk about taking responsilbilty for their actions (or family members), lets start with the chief and His daughter. Not only is she 19 and hitting cars to be spiteful, she's hiding behind her fathers rank. Yet Ammie and Sally are being forced to uproot their families because they drew chalk drawings of themselves? Sounds like someone has a lot of explaining to do. Rising View, I'm afraid you've seriously dropped the ball here. It only makes sense that you've kept the chief because of the BAH he's bringing in. Which makes it obvious that you don't care about the families you rent to at all.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 9, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Sounds like someone needs a lawyer.
Posted by: Dr Feelgood on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:14 PM
You all need prozac
Posted by: Lea on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:08 PM
Wow now that this is all coming to light I think Dora may be exploring new job oppertunities. I know I wouldn't keep her around after my company name has been drug through the mud. Man talk about being a disgraceful military spouse. I feel bad for HER husband.
Posted by: laughable. on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:04 PM
hmmm, didn't know she hit a car. uhhh that's not something you don't notice, trust me. So that right there is B.S. I mean seriously anyone whose ever hit a car and NOT realized, please speak up.
Posted by: PMS on Sep 8, 2008 at 06:58 PM
As we can all see, those who KNOW the situation, "anonymous" comments must be from Rising View, trust me, Dora lied, violated the most simple of professional conduct, violated the housing contract, violated these ladies civil liberties, traumatized their children. Dora allowed her personal dislike for these ladies to interfere with the professional performance she was in charge of, shame on her. And by the way, the Chief's daughter knew exactly what she did, it was premeditated, she thought it was one of the ladies involved's car, she stopped and said "she" was warned after she hit the minivan. Also as far as letting it roll by and forgotten, NEVER. Families displaced and children traumatized over a "parking spot", Dora...SHAME ON YOU!
Posted by: Alex on Sep 8, 2008 at 06:31 PM
I don't think it's petty at all that 2 air force spouses and their families have to find another place to live because someone abused their rank to get their own way. It's not petty at all. How would you feel if you had to move from the place that you called home because someone had a personal vendetta? I don't think I'd like it very much. I'd do the same thing these gals are doing. I wouldn't go down without a fight and I wouldn't allow that kind of treatment to go on for very long.
Posted by: annoyed on Sep 8, 2008 at 06:27 PM
Hey "whatever" if this is so petty then why are you wasting time in commenting on the subject.
Posted by: whatever on Sep 8, 2008 at 05:46 PM
what's done is done. there are way more important issues in our world than this petty bs. move on.
Posted by: review the facts on Sep 8, 2008 at 05:33 PM
So let me get this straight. The mans daughter hit another persons vehicle and he's not in trouble. These girls do chalk outlines of themselves and get kicked out? I think they should go after housing for discrimination.
Posted by: confused on Sep 8, 2008 at 05:31 PM
So if active duty members are so responsible for what the people in their homes do, what is happening to this chief for his daughters reckless driving? If it was an "accident", why did the Chiefs family withhold insurance information from the family who's vehicle was struck? Lots of unanswered questions here.
Posted by: Get a Clue! on Sep 8, 2008 at 04:53 PM
The daughter didn't know she hit another car?! What if that had been a child? It doesn't matter if she knew she did it or not. After getting the facts about the statements she made before backing out, she knew darn well what she was doing. She was nothing but rude to the rest of the neighborhood yelling at the people to move their vehicle. How presumptuous of this chiefs family to think the entire neighborhood was going to cater to them with their no parking area. It's not the neighbors fault that the family can't back out without hitting something.
Posted by: lol at Ree on Sep 8, 2008 at 04:17 PM
If you're going to correct other people's spelling, you might want to make sure your spelling is all correct. It's "coming", not "comming".
Posted by: Bill on Sep 8, 2008 at 04:15 PM
When I hear things like this happening to families of serving men and women it makes my blood boil. I have checked into this as best as I can from a distance and it sounds like someone is using rank to pull strings. Where is the base comander in all this? Where is the oversight of the contractor that manages the base housing. This is really smelly, smacks of abuse of rank. Superior Officers, Sit up and take notice. This is uncalled for. The Nation is watching.
Posted by: curious on Sep 8, 2008 at 03:56 PM
She didn't know she had hit something until the next day? Did she not look to see what was behind her as she backed out? Guess she's lucky a child wasn't behind her as she backed out.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 02:02 PM
Please forgive my spelling, I just could not write fast enough. All Ive seen is negativity towards Risingview and its staff. They have been nothing but helpfull and thoughtfull to my family and others I know. You dont here to much from the other 1300 residents residing there either. Lets take into consideration that maybe these people had other things agaianst them also?? See how dumb speculation is. Let it die and move on. Life is not always fare.
Posted by: Lynn on Sep 8, 2008 at 01:37 PM
Maybe the reason most are biased toward the 2 ladies is because they could be any of us. What thinking person would be so upset over simple chalk drawings? The ladies were lied to and bullied by people who were sent to represent them. The ladies offered to apologize for any unintentional hurt feelings or perceptions. The apology was refused. Instead they were disrespected, screamed at, and insulted. Respect is a two-way street that needs to be earned, not handed out like Christmas candy from Santa. Who was Dora (representing Rising View), the 2 first shirts (representing the husbands?), and the Chief (representing his family) to pass judgement on the 2 ladies without getting the whole story? Both sides of this story should have been presented and respected in the beginning. Instead, Dora, Chief, and the Shirts started accusations of hate without respecting the facts. There was no hate involved. Foolishness? Yes! Hate? No! Seems to me true leadership respects those who are led.
Posted by: agree with anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 01:32 PM
i agree with anonymous. if you don't know both sides of the story then you can't pass a clear judgment.
Posted by: anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 01:23 PM
It wasn't a "hit and run" because the daughter didn't realize that she had hit the car when she backed out of the drive way. She only found out the next day when the police showed up at her house taking pictures of her car. As far as I'm concerned, it's a minor vehicle accident, not a hit and run because the driver didn't realize she'd hit the van.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 01:16 PM
Dora did not get demoted to her current position!!!!! She has been the director there for 3 years. If your thinking of Tom..He was not her boss! Not a military spouse? She's not out drawing with chlk at her unlike others. Do you all work in the office??? If not how can all of you assume that you all have the right answers??? If your that concerned and mad then go up there and get a job and get involved in changing the palce. ALso, please explane the definiton of a military spouse? Ohhhh it will very.
Posted by: Also in support on Sep 8, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Definition of hit and run: Collision between a motor vehicle and another motor vehicle, object or pedestrian, where the driver of the vehicle leaves the scene of the accident without identifying himself/herself www.lombard.ca/Glossary.htm GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!! It doesn't matter how small or large the collision was, if you leave the scene you are guilty of a hit and run!! She backed out of the driveway, hit a car and left the scene. I have a teenage driver and not for a moment would I allow them to think it was ok and then try to ignore, cover it or retaliate against someone because I got caught!! You all talk about how the mothers need to set an example for their kids, well what about the KID who hit the car? What kind of message is being sent to her by her parents? It's ok to lie, run from your problems and get back at those that call you out? WOW!! I agree with Heather girls, get out before anything else happens.
Posted by: capehart anon on Sep 8, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Umm..it was a hit and run but due to his manipulation of words and timing it was changed to a minor traffic incident. Not to mention they refused to give their info to the other driver and he had to call and get a copy of the report so that his insurance could go after the teenage driver who hit his car. And as for Dora, the property manager, she is not an example of a military spouse that I want represented. And kinda funny how she was demoted to her current position.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:46 AM
Uh yeah there was a "hit and Run" chiefs daught did exactly that. She hit it, went and told the people to move their van without mentioning that she had backed into them. Then left. That is indeed a hit and run. How about the rest of you get your facts straight.
Posted by: In support on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:34 AM
Yes, there was in fact a hit and run. Kind of funny how the only witness to it is being forced to leave her home....
Posted by: anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 10:09 AM
If only you all knew both sides of the story. Cleary this is biased in favor of the women, and I doubt any of you have talked to both parties involved or were directly involved yourselves. It makes me sad that you all are sitting here making assumptions about people that you don't even know. Who are you to be the judge of all this? I suggest that before you start passing judgments on what "should" have been done, you get the whole story, and have some respect for both sides involved.
Posted by: anonymous on Sep 8, 2008 at 09:34 AM
Ree, there was no "hit and run". Get your facts straight.
Posted by: Anon on Sep 8, 2008 at 01:40 AM
Sounds like a tight wad getting his/her way by pushing the "weaker" ones around. Once again people are surprised that the high officials of anything are being so ridiculous? Remember they are merely little children who have always gotten their way, this is no exception. Karma is a real stinger, and for those people to have the gall to throw children out into the streets, it's gonna come back and hit them even harder. The world is full of children masked as adults....
Posted by: MtMom on Sep 7, 2008 at 10:18 PM
If you only knew the hell these women have had to endure over the past month, you would be completely ashamed of yourselves! Their husbands are not in trouble because they didn't do anything wrong. If I did that, my husband would have probably joined me!lol! Keep your chin up girls. The truth will prevail!
Posted by: ree on Sep 7, 2008 at 09:46 PM
good point jo b. i'll use the rebel flag example. some people do find that offensive, but it isn't ment to be. should i have to take mine down b/c someone thinks it's something it isn't? nope. it's all a matter of perception, and that's what happened with these chalk drawings. now, the spouse abuse is actually offensive and wrong. should definately be stopped. annoymous, lol, i think you meant anonymous, you have no idea what you're talking about. you don't know these women. and it's doubtful their husbands careers are at stake. they did nothing wrong and neither did their husbands. They will be way better off in cheaper, nicer housing with no drama. i think housing has definately wronged them and added so much un-needed stress, but they unknowingly helped them by getting them better living conditions. and i feel pretty certain that everyone will get what's comming to them once the whole story gets out there.
Posted by: Heather on Sep 7, 2008 at 09:05 PM
Girls, consider this a blessing in desiguise...I know first hand the finacial burden that this is going to be on you, but in the long run, you are going to look back and ask yourself why didn't we move sooner!! I lived there for almost 8 years and was paying WAY TOO MUCH for the hole we were living in. Even the renuvated houses aren't worth the lowest BAH. All they did was cover up exisisting problems. Oh the stories I could tell. We moved off base this summer and now live in a bigger, nicer home for LESS then what we were paying there!! And there's NO DRAMA in my neighborhood!! Why would you want to live in a neighborhood where you can't even sit in your front yard and watch your kids play without wondering if something is gonna happen? I know it's the pricipal of the matter and I hope you persue legal action, but cut your losses girls and come live "out here", you'll be happy you did!!
Posted by: Annoymous on Sep 7, 2008 at 08:36 PM
These women need to learn about having respect for their husbands. This is just crazy that they've caused all these problems that their husbands have to worry about while being overseas. This is the last thing they need to be concerned about, not to mention that their military careers are probably over due to the drama their wives caused.
Posted by: Jo B. on Sep 7, 2008 at 07:16 PM
What about the people that drive around base housing with rebel flags in their cars? Isn't THAT offensive to some people? What about the spouse abuse that occurs? What about all the other things going on in the world that our husbands and wives have to deal with? Now these women and their families are being forced to move in a time when the economy absolutely SUCKS! You tell me where any military family can come up with $2000 to move plus the cost of utilities and have to pay whatever BAH they owe because housing does everything a month behind? All over stupid chalk drawings that all but 2 people thought were funny.
Posted by: ree on Sep 7, 2008 at 06:12 PM
to wondering: There were no more "incidents" that you haven't heard of. unless you haven't heard about the hit and run incident that was covered up by the outranking next door neighbor, which reflects bad on him and has nothing to do with these women. the women involved in the chalk incident are fine citizens. they have both been military spouses for some years and know quite well that their husbands are responsible for them. They haven't done anything wrong. Nothing they did was with malicious intent and they have shone nothing but respect for their neighbors and the military even through the false accusations and misinformation. they have taken responsibility and apoligized if their drawings were misconstrued as offensive. From what i and other neighbors witnessed, the property director is in no way fair or professional. She is asssumptuos and rude. She came to their door screaming at one of the ladies infront of her neighbors and her children. must have forgotten all that experiene
Posted by: wondering on Sep 7, 2008 at 01:55 PM
It sounds like these two women wanted their 15 minutes of fame. Did they not read the LEGAL document or find out from their husbands what it states? Were there more incidents that were not disclosed? Sounds to me that they are acting like petulant 5 year olds, and when something happens that they don't like they whine and pick up their chalk and run home. Do they not understand that their husbands are responsible for their actions and that of their children? If people would take responsibility for their actions and set good examples for their children, this would be a better place. WHAT is the rest of the story? I know for a fact that the property director is fair, honest and quite knowlegeable about leasing property. She has had quite a few years of experience and training in this field. There are such things as rules and responsibilties to be followed in this, as well as anything in life. You continually break the rules and you eventually reap the consequences.
Posted by: Ferris on Sep 7, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Rising View continues to stiff arm the residents of base housing. They have a handbook of rules that we must follow. When we residents find a "gray area" and use it, housing changes the handbook in order to cover themselves. Since housing privatized it has become not about the people, but about the money. Rising View doesn't care about the residents but the monthly rent they receive. Bring back "Military Housing", not Stalag 17.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 7, 2008 at 10:19 AM
To Asking the question: No, it's not her curb, but don't you think it's a little ridiculous that the only curb that's painted just so happens to be in front of the home that they pay rent for? It's not rising view's street. It's PUBLIC PROPERTY! I'd like to see the permit. It's also painted yellow, not red. Yellow means caution, red means NO PARKING. Housing needs to get their priorities straight and leave these 2 gals alone. I see nothing wrong with what they did.
Posted by: I want an explaination on Sep 7, 2008 at 09:24 AM
I know someone else in capehart who requested that her curb be painted because she has a narrow end-of-cul-de-sac road and parking behind her is a problem. The woman at Rising View said they don't paint curbs, that there is no process to get it painted, and that there is nothing they can do to help the parking situation. So what gives? Is there a policy that allows no parking to be painted on the curb across from you if parking is a problem or not? If so what is the procedure? Is there a form to fill out? It seems VERY clear that if no one else can call housing and have a no parking curb created, then this WAS preferential treatment. As a military spouse, I want an explanation. Rising View was already going to lose the contract before this because of all the complaints received on the survey sent out. The previous manager already lost his job over that. They deserve to lose it soon rather than later. How many problems with them do we have to endure before they are out?
Posted by: lq on Sep 6, 2008 at 10:22 PM
FYI,If the military wanted their personnel to have spouses and children they would have issued them,IS A CROCK,OUTDATED OLD PRE FT.CROOK DAYS. I was a now retired AF mans wife before he even joined the service! Who got here first the chicken or the corn it ate? LOL a relocated Cornhusker
Posted by: Asking the question on Sep 6, 2008 at 09:09 PM
To the Anonymous post 6 Sep at 12:30 pm, I didn't know Ammie owned the curb in front of her house. If she does own it, then having it painted without her permission is really is a foul and her ownership rights were violated. Curb owners, step forth and protect what's yours from the Chief and Rising View. Even if you're not in the same neighborhood, if you don't stand up now, you might be next!!!
Posted by: Jess on Sep 6, 2008 at 03:18 PM
To shut up!!! Ok listen, that is NOT the way all military wives want to be represented. I could tell you my husbands rank (which is higher than the chief but mind you we were enlisted for years prior) and Dora is NOT the way I am represented. I treat people with respect and dignity even if they are wrong. I don't publicly humiliate them or strong arm them and I know PLENTY of wives like myself, a lot that are right there on Offutt. We are good, solid people who don't use our years of military involvement or our husband's rank to put someone in their place. And for any wife who wants to put on the "hoity-toity I am better than you" act, thats fine, but understand that by doing that you aren't helping the military culture either and don't see the "rank-pulling" that does on. So please, don't use people like Dora or any other higher-than-thou wife to exemplify what it means to be a military spouse. I live in privatized housing and we aren't treated that way.
Posted by: Kelly S. on Sep 6, 2008 at 02:30 PM
They are amazing women and should not be treated like this. I wish there was more that could be done to help them....
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 6, 2008 at 01:56 PM
The two first sergeants were the ones TOLD by housing and the chief to put a 6 month no contact order on these women. They told them to do anger management counseling and told the one lady not to smoke in front of her home because just the sight of her upset the chief. You tell me where any of that is legal! And THEY deserve to get kicked out?! I think NOT! This whole thing has me so mad I can't think straight. Not to mention the fact that they can't get a lawyer because no one wants to take on their case because of military involvment. SOMEONE NEEDS TO STEP UP TO HELP THEM LEGALLY!!!!!!
Posted by: shutup!!!! on Sep 6, 2008 at 01:35 PM
Get over it!!!! This is no longer old military housing. Rising View is privatized housing that is alot better than old base housing. Just like always in my carrer its always the person who has more rank is "pulling rank" What a lie!!! Military members and there families are all responsable for there actions on base and off. Did you know that the Director is a mlitary spouse and Whos husaband is enlisted also. She may not have a matching tatoos and not drawing outlines of bodies under caution tape, she is representing the military spouses in the right way. The director "not landlord" did the right asking these two families to leave. I think she and her staff have done wonders for the community and and it has definitely shown. We need to quit speculating on what happened becouse we don't know everything that happened. Its time to let it go and by the way if any of you have rented before you would understand how leases work. Get educated on privatization.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 6, 2008 at 01:35 PM
I think the t-shirt idea is great! Then we could donate the profits to them to help them move!
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 6, 2008 at 12:30 PM
This chief since he first moved in has had it out for these 2 women. He used his power and influence over the housing office and 2 first sgts. to get his way. He made threats towards these women and got his way. These girls have been through hell since this all began. The one gal lives over a mile away from this man and is still getting the boot. Has anyone stopped to ask why this was allowed to happen? Why is it that Ammies curb is THE ONLY ONE IN BASE HOUSING THAT IS PAINTED? Talk about preferential treatment! The children involved have been witness to the treatment that the housing office has given these women as well. Someone in the housing director's position should have acted in a professional manner instead of slandering them to the entire neighborhood. The news is only telling a small part of the story. Let's hear the whole thing come and and see who looks like the childish one.It certainly won't be those 2 women.
Posted by: No QA on Sep 6, 2008 at 11:18 AM
Using your rank to get things changed for your own "good" over someone else's is pulling rank. That is what he did. As for wanting them living next to me? I don't know them. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. That's not what my post was about. It was about abuse of power, plain and simple. Perhaps you should work on getting your own life.
Posted by: Jess on Sep 6, 2008 at 09:59 AM
So, how about we get t-shirts that say "Team Sally & Amiee" and all the military wives can wear them around the base!! If anyone wants "Team Rising View" shirts, you need your head examined! I may not be there anymore, but I'd wear a "Team Sally & Aimee" shirt :).
Posted by: fg on Sep 6, 2008 at 06:52 AM
Joking Right.....I live ar Rising View and several residents feel that they are great. You don't like the rules, and the management then MOVE OUT and Stay OUT. There are several residents feels that they are doing FINE job.
Posted by: Wait a sec. on Sep 6, 2008 at 12:56 AM
I have to say i'm dissapointed by those AF wives who are being so close minded. I hope your never in a situation like this. Until you've walked in these womens shoes, you really need to think about what you know about the situation. You should be supporting them not tearing them down. Aimee and Sally have taken responsiblity and are just trying to keep this "eviction with no notice" thing from happening to anyone else. Can you imagine being asked to move. Where would you get the money, the help. What kind of stress would that cause you? Can you honestly say that They should be forced to move because of silly chalk drawings of themselves? Because one woman is giving preferential treatment to the neighbor with the higher BAH? Not to mention that the neighbor is given the decsion on what happens to these families. Please think again about who is wrong here, And please remember which side your on.
Posted by: Bitter much? Boo Hoo. on Sep 6, 2008 at 12:38 AM
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 5, 2008 at 08:08 PM I know one of the parties involved all too well. Let me assure you that she's merely up to her old antics. Seven years is far too long to have allowed her to run amuck in our fine neighborhood. Good riddence. Oh sooo you two must of had some falling out at some point...Get over it, Then and now have nothing to do with it. Bitter much? Grow up and keep your personal feelings to yourself please. Seems she is very mature unlike yourself. Go eat your crayons :)
Posted by: Curly hair and pony tail???????? on Sep 5, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Since when have "crime scene chalk outlines" had curly hair and pony tails drawn on them? That doesn't sound like any "crime scene" I have ever scene. Maybe they were sending the message that they would like to do the neighbor's hair in the style of a curly pony tail????? hahaha. This whole thing sounds totally ridiculous and blown out of proportion to me.
Posted by: Joking Right?!? on Sep 5, 2008 at 09:19 PM
I just read through all these comments about the two wives. Please. Lets get real. For those that are angered and annoyed with them, get over it. They are not a disgrace to their husbands. If the chief came in trying to dictate, he needs to move out of housing. He can afford to pay for a house elsewhere. Living in housing is tough b/c everyone gets involved in everyone's business. Just everyone get along and mind their own business. That is why we moved out. Too much drama! For the housing mgmt what right do you have to be a judge and jury by not allowing them to be friends. You need to keep the property in standing condition and within regs. Focus on maintainance and compliance. Not eliminatin parking all b/c the chief's family cannot drive or back out of their own driveway. These women should not have to move out of housing. Has their SQ Commanders/First Shirts gotten involved? I hope so. Time for them to step in and solve he problem diplomatically!
Posted by: Heres my Idea! on Sep 5, 2008 at 08:43 PM
I cannot tell you how relieved I am that more people are realizing that The fault here does not lie with my friends, but of some Rank pulling Chief and some Nit wit of a housing Director. I think we need a petition to get her removed. As for the chief, the military can deal with him. Anyone else?
Posted by: QA on Sep 5, 2008 at 08:17 PM
Anonymous....talking about unacceptable behavior as for puling rank, what about the spouses behavior? Are you saying the spouses behavior is acceptable? Then they should live by you!!! Get a life!!
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 5, 2008 at 08:08 PM
I know one of the parties involved all too well. Let me assure you that she's merely up to her old antics. Seven years is far too long to have allowed her to run amuck in our fine neighborhood. Good riddence.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 5, 2008 at 07:28 PM
Sounds like these women need to write to their Congressmen. Pulling rank in that situation is unacceptable behavior.
Posted by: ExArmy Wife on Sep 5, 2008 at 05:52 PM
most land lords use and abuse the housing regs. some but not all are no better then slum lords and their styles are run the same! right now is when the wifes join together and try laughing to keep from crying! now days if we would have fun together more, maybe we wouldnt have so much time to hate and be bitter or petty
Posted by: Twocents on Sep 5, 2008 at 05:24 PM
The entire story has not been revealed in this story, Both sides need to be brought out. If you act like a child and make malicious comments and/or acts then you suffer the consequences. This goes far beyond being barred from seeing a friend.
Posted by: moreta on Sep 5, 2008 at 04:21 PM
How can a landlord have the authority to say who can see who? I thought that was done with a court date, evidence etc? Having been around upper level military who think they are god I have no doubt that something is going on with this. If the other tenant has not mowed the yard then why is nothing been done. There is something very fishy about this whole thing.
Posted by: neighbor on Sep 5, 2008 at 03:29 PM
What started as a simple parking misunderstanding has completely snowballed out of control. How did our peaceful neighborhood, where our kids play in the front yard and ride their bikes down the street, turn into a war zone in only 1 month? It is not uncommon to see friendly smiles and waves during an evening stroll. This is one of the few areas in Capehart Housing where people actually sit on their front porches and exchange pleasantries with their neighbors! This area houses ALL ranks, but everyone has been friendly and respectful. Work is work. Our neighborhood is our home. Rank played no part. Parking has always been tight here. Sometimes vehicles get parked to close. We just pull out and drive a bit slower. Why, for 2 years, this friendly neighborhood has been peaceful and in 1 month's time accusations of hate are being thrown around? What has happened to our neighborhood?
Posted by: Renee on Sep 5, 2008 at 02:49 PM
How can a chalk drawing be, in any way, comparable to a burning cross or noose? I saw the drawings myself and they were nothing more than two friend's outlinings of each other. The drawings were in likeness to no one but themselves. When did this become a crime? The women involved are in no way, shape, or form, prejudice against anyone. Their other neighbors and myself can attest to that fact. If anything they are being discriminated against for their race and their husbands rank by rising view. And this is all because of a stupid parking issue that rising view should have resolved months ago.
Posted by: x military spouse on Sep 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM
If the military wanted their personnel to have spouses and children they would have issued them
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 5, 2008 at 11:23 AM
On the one hand - chalk outlines? do something better with your free time. Volunteer work, anyone? On the other hand, definitely not a reason to be kicked out. I think you could fight it in court, although I suppose the landlord has some sort of clause where they can terminate a lease agreement anytime for any reason.
Posted by: A bystander to the whole situation on Sep 5, 2008 at 11:16 AM
I think so much of this talk has gotten completely out of hand! Let me just tell you as someone who lives in the neigborhood in question (or Hickville as someone has called it), you all know about 25% of the story. And, we are not allowed to tell the rest of the story to everyone because we want to protect these women from further discrimination, we fear the wrath of this Chief and also Dora, the housing manager, and we would like for our neighborhood to come back to the harmonious place it used to be. I sincerely hope that WOWT will continue to investigate this story and get some more information on the faulty management of Rising View, beleive me, we could tell you all about their discriminatory management of the military housing. Please, please host a town hall meeting so that the public can know the truth about Rising View. As for the other situation, with these two women, don't you think they have suffered enough? Is it really neccessary to continue posting hurtful comments?
Posted by: Been here from the beginning. on Sep 5, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Burning Crosses and Nuses? Where did that come from, this was SIDEWALK CHALK. The drawings resembled both ladies, one with frizzy hair and the other in a pony tail. Now had they resembled a large man, then maybe just maybe you could go there. This was not a hate crime, Nor a threat. It was just a simple Chalk drawing that Dear Drama queen at Rising View has BLOWN way out of porportion. That chief wasn't even here when it happend.Drama Queen proceeds to let him decide the fate over these two women and their families. Had that CHIEF actually seen what those photos were in person instead of flying off the handle and enforcing a gag order Through RV. This would be completely different. The fact here is that unless your a chief and you can intimadate people or if your pulling in a nice chunk of BAH, then your screwed. I wanna know what happens to the Tenat when Drama Queen Decides to pull the same thing. Close to 30 yrs in the AF and he doesnt know its wrong to use his rank like that, Bull.
Posted by: AF SPOUSES UNITED on Sep 5, 2008 at 09:43 AM
WE SUPPORT YOU AMMIE AND SALLY! KEEP UP THE GOOD FIGHT! YOUR STORY WILL ALL COME OUT SOON!
Posted by: YOMAMA on Sep 5, 2008 at 09:24 AM
So someone please tell me that it was necessary to tell these two ladies that they could not see each other, their kids could not play together anymore, they had to take each other off of emergency contact list at school, they have to smoke in the backyard not in the front where the chief can see them. ABSOLUTELY INSANE! And for the ones who are saying that they are a disgrace to the Air Force and their husbands, Shame on you! You have no flipping clue honey! These ladies did NOT deserve this in any way, shape, or form! Sally doesn't even live on the same street as Ammie and the Chief but she is still getting evicted! HHMM? Explain that one!
Posted by: An Idea on Sep 5, 2008 at 09:15 AM
Where is JMD?? This is a high profile case.. He can make an example out of this. He should be chomping at the bit right now!!
Posted by: Jess on Sep 5, 2008 at 08:33 AM
I know the one woman in question very well, in fact her husband was my husband's sponsor when we arrived at Offutt. She in no way shape or form has a malicious bone in her body. There was no hate crime b/c by legal definition, a hate crime has to be directed toward someone based on race, creed, religion, etc. Since the chalk drawings were NOT INTENDED for the neighbor, it is therefore not a hate crime. Furthermore, Aimee and Sally did comply with every little request of the neighbor and did apologize to housing. What this revolves around is a higher ranking person disgruntled about living in base housing and throwing his rank around to gain satisfacion. So, if the chalk drawings were done by a 7 year old, would they have been screamed at by the housing management in public like Sally and Aimee?? Or what if the chalk outlines were pink instead of "crime scene" white. Remember there are other things to consider that can't necessarily be discussed before judging the 2 women.
Posted by: Miss on Sep 5, 2008 at 07:59 AM
As a neighbor who has watched these events unfold over the past few weeks, I support the two wives completely. This ALL got started when the Chief moved in. This neighborhood has never had problems before. A member of his family hit a parked vehicle in front of the wife's house. She happened to be outside and witnessed the hit and informed the owner of the parked vehicle what had occurred, because no one in the Chief's family certainly did. This was the beginning of it all. She was the witness to an accident, and did the right thing by informing the other party. And apparently the Chief didn't appreciate that too much. I guess it made him look kind a bad. These two wives are getting a lot of negative attention due to this, when if fact it is the Chief who came into this neighborhood hoping to bully and intimidate with his rank. He has started fights with neighbors over parked cars. These problems all lead back to him and Rising View, not the wives.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 5, 2008 at 07:39 AM
You people are so cruel to these women. Did they at any point in the interview slam the neighbor? No! Did they slam rising view? Kind of. But if you watch the interview, the whole thing was about not being able to see each other and then being kicked out. What landlord that you know of puts restrictions on peoples friendships? Have you ever heard of editing? I bet there is a lot more to this that the news can't report on because it does involve a military member. Let's hold off on the judgement until all of this comes out. Get a lawyer ladies. Your rights are being violated!
Posted by: Lynn on Sep 5, 2008 at 01:16 AM
How can a drawing in the street be thought of as a hate crime? A hate crime has to apply damages against sex, race, religion or place of origin. None of this has happened. No one said anything about any of this being funny. There was no intent toward anyone. How in the WORLD could any person compare burning crosses or nooses to chalk drawings is beyond me. Maybe protecting residents from open basements and demolished rubble would be a better use of Rising View's caution tape and barracades.
Posted by: NO CRIME! on Sep 5, 2008 at 12:12 AM
If it was a death threat then why didn't law enforcement charge them? Why was nothing done to these two young mothers, since they are so threatening and dangerous!? Because there was no crime, no threat, no intent. The drawings they did were supposed to be jumping rope and were not directed at the neighbor, but toward Rising View -- mocking the "no parking" area. The Air Force is NOT discipling them because they looked at the pictures of the drawings and determined that it was clear that they were not threatening in any manner. As did the police. That kind of accusation is very serious and you shouldn't make it lightly. NO WHERE IN AMERICA would that be considered a hate crime! I dare you to find a statute in this country that would come close to calling that a crime. As has been stated before, there was NO charge (or are you accusing the police of corruption?), NO indictment, NO prosecution, and NO conviction. Where do you get off inventing this "crime" with no factual basis?
Posted by: Crime or Threat? on Sep 4, 2008 at 11:50 PM
What is up with the chalk drawing??? How is it funny on base housing but in the rest of the world it's considered a crime scene!!!! What kind of message are the women trying to send their neighbor during a feud? In the reset of America it would be considered a death threat. Would a burning cross or noose in the front yard also be funny???? How far is too far? I sure hope the Air Force is disciplining them accordingly. If this type of action were taken in any other neighborhood it would be a threat/hate crime!
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 4, 2008 at 11:36 PM
you've got to be kidding me says ~ Give that man an eviction notice for not mowing his lawn!!! That's the only reasonable thing he said. Page 7 of the Rising View handbook calls for grass to be cut weekly to 3"-4" and watered regularly between April and November. http://www.risingview.com/Rising%20View%20Handbook%2008.pdf The Rising View website also lists several lawn care companies for those who can't/won't live up to community standards. If the individual in question has lived there for a month, and hasn't cut the grass it probably looks like heck. They need to pay more attention to their place, less to the parking situation, and the management needs to enforce the groundskeeping regs.As far as children, moms, chalk and keepaway tape, it sounds like someone takes their petty selves too seriously to administrate a tax funded housing area. cached view of management team that they took down: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:xAU1lWg8i7YJ:www.risingview.com/team.shtml rising view property management&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us
Posted by: Ashamed! on Sep 4, 2008 at 11:23 PM
WOW -What a disgrace these women are to their military husbands and the Air Force. The war is overseas not here in our own backyard with each other squabbling over parking on the street and stooping to drawing chalk outlines of bodies that look like a crime scene. How on earth is this funny? Sounds like these women need their heads examined or electric shock therapy?? Is this what our country has come to - while their husbands are defending our freedom their wives are throwing hissy fits about parking on the street!! These women need to remember it's their husbands career and reputations on the line. It's unfortunate they have to deal with a situation like this that their wives created. Sounds like these women need to be kept on a shorter leash and find a HOBBY!!! The homes are leased. It's not their God given right to live there. If you have a problem with someone you handle it with dignity, grace and respect for yourself, your husband, the Air Force, and your country.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 4, 2008 at 11:02 PM
To You've got to be kidding: Ok....well then, let's also evict anyone that is in possession of childrens chalk! It's a dangerous thing you know!
Posted by: AnotherAnonymous on Sep 4, 2008 at 10:06 PM
For those of you who do not live in military housing, let me enlighten you. If you screw up, you will not just get a nasty-gram from your landlord, you may get in major trouble at your job, and have a counseling chit attached to your professional personnel record. Its not like the civilian world, so you have to adjust your thinking that way. What happened here is total mis-management of a personal complaint by one neighbor about another. Rising View management is completely inept and in this case, borders on reckless. If she had managed this situation better - and done it within the law (ie "no contact" orders do not apply to civilian spouses of military members) then this could have been peacefully resolved. If you are military and planning to move into Rising View - take your BAH and run for the best rental house you can find. The management here is terrible. Its not worth it.
Posted by: Bibby on Sep 4, 2008 at 09:57 PM
I would like to know if any follow-up is accomplished. I wonder if General Jones will concern himself with this issue. It has become an issue. It now deserves the attention of the base commander. I highly doubt even he will be able to get 100% truth from both sides. Not to mention the individuals car who was damaged has yet to receive any word from anybody concerning the issue, but the only witness to the incident did not have her lease renewed.
Posted by: Betty on Sep 4, 2008 at 09:23 PM
Where in the handbook does it say that you can't draw with chalk on the sidewalk or the street? There's something very wrong going on here and I don't think it's what these two women did.
Posted by: You've got to be kidding on Sep 4, 2008 at 09:20 PM
Re: You should know: Give that man an eviction notice for not mowing his lawn!!! Also, evict him for not having anything to do with the people in the neighborhood. Evict him for thinking he is too good. Oh, I didn't know you could read his thoughts--wow, you're really good! You're probably just the kind of person he doesn't want to engage with so he doesn't. Let's be fair about it. He's not like the two ladies who incites trouble. You become like the people you hang around so he probably chose not to be with them. Oh, we didn't know about the "hit and run". How did that happen and why wasn't he evicted for that? Really, he should just be evicted because he's a Chief Master Sergeant. To take it a step further, let's evict all Chief Master Sergeants who reside in housing and intimidate the lower ranking individuals and prey on helpless wives while their husbands are deployed. Let's not stop there, let's shut down base housing all together and let everyone live on the economy.
Posted by: Anonymous on Sep 4, 2008 at 09:05 PM
To Mary O....it's because he's higher ranking and housing has taken his side from the beginning.
Posted by: t on Sep 4, 2008 at 08:53 PM
There are three sides to every story: yours, mine and the truth. I'd be damn sure I was in the right if I was approaching the media with 'my' side of the story.
Posted by: unbelievable on Sep 4, 2008 at 08:35 PM
Mary O. The neighbor got a no parking sign put in front of that house because someone leaving the neighbor's household hit a car that was LEGALLY parked there when backing up (the care wasn't connected to any of the people in this story), and then drove away. That's what started this whole mess. It is truly unbelievable to me that this situation has gotten so out of control.
Posted by: Wow I can't wait! on Sep 4, 2008 at 08:29 PM
Hey WOWT I think you should look further into this and bring it to light. Common Mike McKnight Get to whooping on this Chief. This "Dora" lady who needs to be removed from her job, I know I wouldn't be employing someone that lies and takes the law into her own hands. This sidewalk chalk thing may have been silly but there is SOOOO much more to this story! You all just wait! Thank Goodness we have excellent higher ups at Offutt that Are behind these families!!!! Oh and I liked the Mock city hall thing. Man if you only knew some of the things that "Rising View" has pulled.
Posted by: Mary O. on Sep 4, 2008 at 08:14 PM
"It's grade school"??? How old are YOU two? And why did the neighbor's complaint hold so much weight that he got "No Parking" painted on your curb? I'd like to hear the other side of the story.
Posted by: You should know on Sep 4, 2008 at 08:10 PM
To add to all of this, this individual who started all of this, has nothing to do with anyone in the neighborhood, he thinks he is too good, he has never appologized for the "hit and run" his daughter did, and now, this CHIEF MASTER SGT has yet to mow his lawn since he moved in. Why does he not have to follow the rules that EVERYONE else has to follow! I think more needs to be done here and a HUGE investigation needs to be done on both RISING VIEW as a company, DORA as a (haha) manager, and the CHIEF for abusing his rank!
Posted by: also frustrated on Sep 4, 2008 at 08:07 PM
I'd like to hear more from Anon on how the "neighbor" has terrorized the two families and has intimidated everyone on the street. Tell us more about the chip on his shoulder. I was told chiefs have power but I didn't think they had that much! Sounds like good stuff is oozing from Anon and she/he has all the answers. That's what we're waiting to hear.
Posted by: Know the facts before you point fingers on Sep 4, 2008 at 07:51 PM
These two are giving Air Force spouses a "bad name"? I'm ashamed to know that you ARE an air force spouse. When this all got started, these women were told that they could not be in contact with each other AT ALL for 6 months and that if they broke the "no contact order" they would be kicked out. They were also told that it was at this "neighbors" discretion with what would happen to them if they perused this matter any further. Isn't that a violation of THEIR rights? Once housing caught wind that they were investigating if this was right or not, they were given 30 days notice to leave. Talk about bowing down to the higher ranking individual. This man has shown nothing but disrespect for these women and is a complete disgrace to the Air Force.
Posted by: Bibby on Sep 4, 2008 at 07:48 PM
To add I really resent the fact that people refer to housing as "(like most base-housing areas) immature, gossipy & hick-ville atmosphere" I mean I really take offense to that. It is not hickish or immature or gossipy to make light of a poor situation. We are allowed (for the moment anyway) to enjoy the neighborhood, socialize in our own yards, enjoy the weather, and just in general be good neighbors. Most people in housing have children. Most children like to have fun. My own children play with chalk in the driveway. I discourage play in the street, but it happens. I enjoy the housing neighborhood and the people who live here are generally good people. We do not live in "hick-ville, spend all our time gossiping, or act immature for the sport of it." Everybody is allowed a mistake, but if you draw chalk outlines you aparantly lose the priveledge of living in base housing with other military families. I guess its better to force them to live away from people who understand.
Posted by: Anon on Sep 4, 2008 at 07:43 PM
These women did nothing wrong. If you people knew anything about the full situation, you would see that they are the victims.Everyone around here thought what they did was funny. The neighbor making the accusations against them moved into the neighborhood with a chip on his shoulder because he's a chief. He has everyone on the street terrified of him. He told the housing director that he wanted them out to get the spotlight off of himself for his daughter doing the hit and run. HE should be the one to leave. Ammie and Sally have been nothing but kind and friendly to the people on this street. This "neighbor" moves in a month ago and has done nothing but terrorize these two families along with the Rising View director. The entire Air Force sees that. THAT is why these two women and their husbands are NOT in trouble.
Posted by: Isaak on Sep 4, 2008 at 07:38 PM
The issue here is the singling out of the family. There is not any "NO PARKING" signs on any other curbs. The reason the sign is there is also part of the story, but it is not my place to post that. Nowhere else in base housing is parking on the opposite side of somebodies driveway restricted. Feel free to take a drive down 25th Ave in Capeheart housing and look for yourself. This whole parking issue seems to not be a problem anywhere else in housing. Nobody else in housing seems to have trouble getting out of their driveway. The Chalk was done by the children. I know I watched it happen. It was entertaining and in no way intended to be hateful. Also the neighborhood was very quiet and peaceful until recently. The only change has been one new neighbor. I truly worry that if I make a certain neighbor angry will I be the next to not get my lease renewed? We still have a great neighborhood and I, for one, will continue to sit in my front yard and watch my children play.
Posted by: Anon on Sep 4, 2008 at 07:15 PM
Angie - nowhere in the lease or regulations does it say that drawing with chalk in the street is grounds for non renewal. There was NO CRIME or THREAT. Law enforcement was involved from the beginning and they did not find anything criminal about the situation. Just because someone IMAGINES that there is a crime, without a charge, an indictment, prosecution AND a guilty verdict, there is NO crime. I can see something like hit and run on a parked vehicle being grounds for eviction, but not sidewalk drawings (even if someone found them offensive). Either way, whether these women were right or wrong in what they did, there should NEVER be a case where a military member's benefits (compensation for employment) can be stripped by a single person, or without due process and means of appeal. NEVER.
Posted by: Kim E. Schreiner on Sep 4, 2008 at 07:03 PM
I don't know how many of the posters of this blog are literate enogh to read and interpret The Constitution, but there is such a thing as the Bill of Rights which in todays's environment doesn't mean much, but when I was sworn in we took an oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foeign and domestic. These ladies are not service members, they are not subject to the UCMJ. They are American citizens who have rights that many of us have made the ultimate sacrifice foe. For me almost. You do not cede your rights when you rent from Rising View. Oh, and maybe some of the folks blogging here saying these gals get what they deserve sound like Gemans justifing the treatment of the Jews because they violated your sense of propriety. Goodnight!!!
Posted by: .....???? on Sep 4, 2008 at 06:54 PM
It sounds to me that these two "ladies" really do have nothing better to do than be juvenile and hateful. There are two sides to every story and all the comments below supporting these two obviously do not know the entire story. I am also a military spouse and agree that spouses such as these two give us a very bad name. I would never conduct myself in this manner and I agree that Rising View did the right thing by evicting them. It sounds like the "ladies" are trying to play the "feel sorry for me because my husband is deployed" card which is absolutely ludicris. I agree that military spouses should be taken care of during a deployment, but you have to deserve the help as well. I think they are just two childish people who have nothing better to do than be malicious toward a neighbor. The situation is "ridiculous" (as stated below by To Military) but not in the way you are making it out to be. These two ladies should feel ashamed about their actions and should apologize to the neighbor
Posted by: Anon on Sep 4, 2008 at 06:45 PM
These women have contacted an attorney who will be retained and believes there is a case here. I suspect that the poster who mentioned a "hate crime" is the housing director, because the housing director is the only person who has made that accusation and spread that rumor around the neighborhood (so much for PRIVACY laws I guess), in spite of the fact that NONE of the law enforcement involved felt there was a hate crime (or a crime of any kind at all), and there was NO investigation, NO criminal charge, and NO indictment of any kind. To the person making those sorts of accusations, I have one word for you: SLANDER. There was NO crime here other than the possible falsification of legal documents by some people in