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Lincoln Deaths Linked To Car Fumes Save Email Print
Believed to be accidental
Posted: 10:06 AM Aug 19, 2008
Last Updated: 8:22 PM Aug 19, 2008
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Authorities said Tuesday morning that a vehicle left running in a garage was the source of carbon monoxide that took the lives of a Lincoln couple on Monday. The deaths are considered accidental.

The victims were identified as 30-year-old Brandon Grueber and his wife, 31-year-old Angela Grueber. Police were called to the 3500 block of North 72nd Street at 2:40 p.m. when a relative discovered the bodies.

The garage is directly below the couple's bedroom and the vehicle was not running when police arrived. Investigators initially said that was not the source of the carbon monoxide, but further investigation revealed that the keys were in the ignition and the ignition was turned on. The car had run out of gas.

This tragedy shows how carbon monoxide can be a silent danger in our homes this time of year. Leaving the car running in the garage for 10 or 15 minutes is all it takes for carbon monoxide to creep into your home and possibly claim lives.

"Carbon monoxide is a by-product that's coming out of the exhaust on a car and it won't take too awful long for it to get you into big trouble and even kill you," says Jim Champion at Charlie Graham Auto in Omaha.

Champion says forgetting about a running vehicle could be easy to do. "If somebody pulls in the garage, they're grabbing groceries, whatever, they open the door, they get groceries, all that stuff they get out of the vehicle, hit the garage door, they accidentally left it running, they go in the house, you're in huge trouble."

Especially considering how quietly engines now run. "They run so quietly anymore that they could be running inside the garage for an extended period of time, you're just not going to know it."

Technology could also play a part. With remote start, a child playing with a keychain could inadvertently start a vehicle in the garage. "So make sure to keep the keys out of everyone's reach and never, ever start it inside the garage even if the door’s open."

The Omaha Fire Department wants to make sure others have lifesaving detectors. "We've had cases in as little as 15 minutes from one that's had a car running in the garage too long or a defective furnace where it's not properly flued and if you have one of these in your house, it will detect that immediately," says OFD Capt. James Gentile.

When rescue crews go on a minor medical call they will check homeowners' detectors to make sure they are working properly. “If they need a smoke detector or a CO detector, we'll offer to put one in for free for 'em,” says Gentile.

Carbon monoxide detectors range from $25-$75 at a hardware store or you can contact the fire department for a free smoke or carbon monoxide detector. Call the Omaha Fire Department at 444-3560 to set up an appointment to have one installed.

It has not been disclosed if the Gruebers had a working carbon monoxide detector in their home.

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Posted by: erin on Aug 24, 2008 at 10:23 PM
I don't know why this bizzare event happened. And there are so many whom are saddened by this... At some point, at some angle we need to grow from this. To realize that we are our own and we are a greater part of our own. But to embrace every bit of happiness and coddle our saddness. We are all who we are and you all should be happy and glad to be you!!!

Posted by: A former coworrker on Aug 22, 2008 at 09:39 PM
I am utterly disgusted with all of you backseat CSI wannabes. Angie was my boss for over two years and I am positive that this was a mere tragic accident. Both Angie and Brandon were fun spirited and compassionate individuals who loved every minute of their lives together. Please consider the pain and anguish the friends and families are going through before you make your uneducated specualtions as to why this accident occurred.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 20, 2008 at 05:15 PM
I am appalled that there are some people on this website who are insinuating this is more than a tragic acccident. To read the story online is one thing: to leave heartfelt comments can be comforting to friends and relatives, but to use this space as a forum to speculate that this is suicide or homicide is absoulutely out of line and disgusting. Shame on you.

Posted by: g on Aug 20, 2008 at 02:27 PM
The same thing happened to me a few weeks ago - came home from airport late - the second car hadn't been started for 3 weeks, we wanted to be sure it would start the next day for work. I started it while I unpacked, then forgot about it - went to sleep - we woke up at 5am gagging and vomiting. The car was out of gas and the battery was dead from the lights on all night. We almost were dead. It is so easy to forget a running car in the garage. We bought co detector next day. I have a lot of sympathy for the family.

Posted by: Always Suspicious on Aug 20, 2008 at 02:13 PM
These were younger adults, with no shady criminal records. They were solid citizens and homeowners. I find it difficult to believe that they would either commit suicide or forget to shut off their car's engine. Neither seems plausible. It's all so puzzling.

Posted by: ann on Aug 20, 2008 at 11:55 AM
It is very easy to be talking and just forget to turn the car off, or grab bags or groceries and forget. How many of you who are judging have pulled into a parking spot and tried to turn your car off before putting it in park? It happens. I know of soemone who did this exact same thing but luckily it was caught before it ran too long and everyone was killed, they only got sick. Sorry for the tragic loss here.

Posted by: Stacy on Aug 20, 2008 at 07:36 AM
Sorry for the family in this tragic loss. -It is easy to have something else on your mind and forget something as simple as turning your car off. I would be able to hear my car start in the garage but not necessarily hear it if it was already running. My prayers are with you.

Posted by: Fred on Aug 20, 2008 at 07:01 AM
If I never ever start my car inside the garage, I won't be able to back out of the garage unless I physically push it out.

Posted by: Anonymous on Aug 19, 2008 at 09:30 PM
This is so, so sad. I hope they didn't have any children they left behind. But I'm bothered that it's already considered an accident ... I think i'd be checking the key in the ignition for unusual fingerprints. Although if it's a suicide there won't be anything unusual. Who doesn't automatically turn their car off when they park before they open the door? Very weird.

Posted by: Absolutely on Aug 19, 2008 at 08:19 PM
I know the Grueber's and I am appauled that someone who doesn't know them would make speculations OR infer to whether this tragedy was an accident or not. My only hope is that others who knew the Grueber's don't read this and see how absolutely insensitive people can be.

Posted by: Kent's Wrong on Aug 19, 2008 at 05:26 PM
Kent, you obviously never learned enough about chemistry , but no reaction ever goes to 100% completion, and also, due to contamination, there are always by-products.

Posted by: Always Suspicious on Aug 19, 2008 at 04:22 PM
Yep, Donnie, my Subaru's remote start works the same way, but with a 15-minute shut-off, and when you hit the button (twice, not to quick and not to slow in between pushes), it honks the horn each time, then honks a third time after it checks safety preconditions and then finally starts the engine.

Posted by: Kent on Aug 19, 2008 at 04:01 PM
This is definitely a sad story. Carbon monoxide is the result of incomplete burning of gas in car engines. It shows that our cars are still inefficient, and proves car makers can make more efficient engines. Not only would more efficient engines reduce our dependence on foreign oil, but they could also prevent these tragedies.

Posted by: Donnie on Aug 19, 2008 at 03:44 PM
I believe (although I could be mistaken) that most remotes have a ten minute auto shut off to prevent these types of occurences. You would have to hit the remote again to re-start the vehicle. At least my Honda does.

Posted by: Meca on Aug 19, 2008 at 03:08 PM
Why would the keys be in the ignition and still in the on position if they had a remote starter? My bedroom is over my garage also and I can hear it lift up and maybe my car is old and loud, but I can definitely hear it running sleep or not. I'm sorry for there family and I hope the authorites get to the bottom of this mystery.

Posted by: Paul on Aug 19, 2008 at 03:03 PM
This is why I like my loud truck, I can here it running from a mile away. It is a mystery why it was left running IF this is an "accident"

Posted by: Always Suspicious on Aug 19, 2008 at 02:26 PM
Most cars idle very quietly these days. Someone, perhaps a known acquaintance, could have started the car, then left the house while the couple was sleeping. I always suspect foul play until it's proven not to be foul play.

Posted by: Me on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:54 PM
Perhaps it was NOT an accident. It happens.

Posted by: Shelly on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:53 PM
Somethings not right here. You don't forget to turn off your car & close the garage door without knowing the car is running. In this style of home you can also hear the car running from the bedroom above the garage. There's more to this.

Posted by: llr on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:49 PM
Precisely, JJS. And remote starts shut the car off after about 20 minutes or so. Again, the keys wouldn't have been turned to "on" if the vehicle had been accidentally "remotely started". Also, why did they show an apparently health pet being taken from the home? A very sad, very mysterious situation.

Posted by: T on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:45 PM
The only thing I could think of was maybe they had been drinking and weren't quite fully aware of their actions in leaving the car on and went to bed. Regardless very sad way to lose your life.

Posted by: s on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:41 PM
I think what Dan is getting at is that this doesn't seem like an accident.

Posted by: Laura on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:33 PM
That has to be one of the most peaceful way to kill yourself. I dont know why it was ruled an accent, people leave their keys in their car but they dont forget to turn their car off. Does not matter, they died and that is very sad.

Posted by: Kelly on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:32 PM
To JJS - I have remote start, it does not turn the key on when you start it. Yes it is a long shot since you usualy have to push the remote start button twice to start it, it could be accidentally started, I guess. I don't know these people and my heart goes out to the family, but it does not sound like an accident to me. I am sorry for your losses.

Posted by: To JJS on Aug 19, 2008 at 01:13 PM
They said the keys were in the ignition and in the on position. What part of that statement leads you to beleive that they hit a button activating a remote starter. And Dan, the car was still on and would have been runnign but it ran out of fuel. The ignition will not turn itself off when the car runs out of gas, it stays on but the engine dies due to lack of fuel.

Posted by: JJS on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM
LLR and Dan - you aren't considering that many people have remote start and sometimes that button can be hit by mistake and you'd never know. It doesn't mean this couple is "Incapacitated" it could be a MISTAKE

Posted by: t on Aug 19, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Wow. How sad. My thoughts and prayers are with the Gruebers and their family & friends.

Posted by: llr on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:58 AM
How do you "accidentally" leave a car running inside the garage? Maybe if you are mentally incapacitated, but these people were relatively young to make this kind of error.

Posted by: Dan on Aug 19, 2008 at 10:39 AM
This doesn't sound right to me. Why would that car be on?

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