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After viewing surveillance video from the Westroads Mall, Omaha Police Thursday had a better understanding of what took place that led a troubled young man to shoot 13 shoppers and store employees Wednesday afternoon.

Just after 2 p.m., a sea of people emerged from the Von Maur department store. "It's a very massive crime scene," said Omaha Police Chief Thomas Warren.

What turned shoppers and employees into a shooter's victims was only starting to unravel. "It appeared to be random, certainly very spontaneous and the duration of the event last only a few minutes.”

Police have tracked the gunman's actions based on surveillance tape from inside.

Police say Robert Hawkins came inside the store and then abruptly left. "It appeared the shooting victims were randomly selected," said Chief Warren. "It didn't appear anyone was targeted."

Six minutes later, Hawkins returned, but this time he was concealing an AK-47 rifle. He headed straight to the elevator and a short trip to the third floor. "Upon exiting the elevator, he immediately started firing shots."

It is during this time police got their first call for help at 1:42 p.m., a 911 call from someone inside Westroads. Police then issued a “shots fired” call.

"There were several individuals mortally, fatally injured, several shots fired throughout this incident,” said Chief Warren.

One shot from high up in the atrium, claimed a victim below, but in one area, the shooter found a cluster of victims. "There were several people who fled immediately once shots were being fired.”

Police arrived and found eight people murdered and a shooter who had turned the gun on himself. The other two people died at the hospital.

Police say they believe the entire incident took less than six minutes. They say they had no opportunity to intervene, that by the time they arrived, the shooting was over.

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Posted by: Laura on Dec 13, 2007 at 01:46 PM
In response to those blaming a lack of religious upbringing, I just saw his mother interviewed and she said that her "father in heaven" comes first, but she loved her son. Sounds like she might have been a tad religious to me.

Posted by: B.F. on Dec 8, 2007 at 09:53 AM
We can not expect malls and store owners to protect us. I will; and I will chose not to go to "Gun Free Zones".

Posted by: K.T. on Dec 7, 2007 at 01:54 PM
Is that all you hearless people can do is critize if the wake of a disaster?? HOW DARE ANY OF YOU!!!! Why don't you try praying for these victims and their families. Also pray for the people that attempted to help this KID!!!! I understand it is hard to show empathy during a time like this, but I am sure that some of you so called CHRISTIANS know better than this. OPD should be praised for the response time, because if any of you have listened to the entire story you would know that it took them two minutes to dispatch and then 4 minutes till the first officer arrived!!! My God people, I can't believe what a hearless community we have become, instead of sitting here critizing, because we all know how perfect YOU are, why don't you give something back to the community. Try that for a change. There are many people volunteering their time and service while you people sit here and critize. I will pray for all of you!!!

Posted by: OPD Wife on Dec 7, 2007 at 01:38 PM
The 6 min response time was very good considering the traffic. They have to speed through traffic making sure they cause no accidents. Also there are the drivers that don't get out of the way when officers are driving with lights and sirens (I've seen this myself). Since that is not a big crime area, our officers were spread near and far. Some had to come from other parts of town I'm sure but let's give them a break. They did all they could and they should be thanked, not ridiculed.

Posted by: KimberlyRose on Dec 7, 2007 at 01:21 PM
Your tax dollars at work for you. Over a quarter-of-a-million dollars and this is what the taxpayers of NE get!? “He did not slip through the cracks.” No, this kid went charging through a gaping hole in the system. Don’t we want to know how? Is $265k the limit? Does the “help me” bar stop at age 18? Or did the State quit on him? Who’s next. Certainly they could see this kid should not be placed in the general population, could not be a part of society yet. $265k…..the State put a price on human life. Now divide that figure by 9. Fellow taxpayers, we must demand an investigation of this system.

Posted by: Brandon on Dec 6, 2007 at 06:41 PM
God help Omaha and America

Posted by: Michelle on Dec 6, 2007 at 05:48 PM
Tragic, sad, upsetting...these are only a few words of how we all in Omaha and everywhere around feel. This is so close to home for us all. We need to think of the families, the workers, the law enforcement and all involved. They need our prayers and thoughts. In no way, shape or form is the Bellevue man "famous". For him to want to take his own life... but to take the life of others. The innocent lives taken were taken from there loved ones, kids, parents, spouses, etc... It is not right, not fair. Please everyone, lets pray for them all. Prayer is a POWERFUL thing, lets never forget that!

Posted by: James on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:27 PM
I think OPD and the other agencies involved that responded did a outstanding job responding to such a horrific situation. These men and women were ready and willing to put their lives on the line if they needed to within six minutes of receiving the phone call to save anyone and everyone's life that they could. I personally am thankful for all of you. THANK YOU! My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families for their horrible losses as well as the men and women in uniform that have to sleep at night wondering if there was something else they could have done differently that would have changed the outcome of this horrific situation. May God Bless all of you.

Posted by: heather on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:19 PM
my concern is for the family...may all of find some kind of peace this holiday season. To everyone else hind sight is 20/20. Sure you add everything up now, after the fact and you start to see the clues that have been there. But could anyone anticipate that this guy would go out and take innocent people with him. I think not. All omaha can do now is support one another. I suggest that everyone go home tonight and hug their family members, and remenber that there are people out there that can not do that. I thank god i have my family and friends and i am going to let them know that tonight. I wish the other families...i wish i could tell them something that would help, but remeber the good times and that they would want you to keep on living. we could all learn from this. take care omaha

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:19 PM
why would somebody think that killing others then killing yourself is "going out in style" thats not style at all. That is just sick. 2nd. This is going to get you glory? everybody out there. this is not glory. also commiting sucide is just stupid but if you are then dont kill others also. there is no need to kill others then kill yourself.

Posted by: BEHIND OPD on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:18 PM
OPD should be commended. 6 minutes is freakin fast, considering the where they were coming from.

Posted by: dave on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:11 PM
lots of posts, will any of you do anything?

Posted by: anonymous on Dec 6, 2007 at 03:45 PM
Lets see, working in law enforcement myself, I know that the police presence in Omaha was centered around the areas where President Bush was. To blame the police in their response time is asinine. To me, six minutes is pretty impressive considering the all-call from other communities. Shame on anyone blaming the police!

Posted by: GiGi on Dec 6, 2007 at 03:21 PM
Everytime I go to Westroads I see uniformed officers I am a frequent customer so I'm surprised to hear none were on duty at that time.

Posted by: Tim on Dec 6, 2007 at 02:50 PM
The police arrived as fast as they could. What matter is that people need to watch out for the signs of people who need help and then do something about it. To ignore it does not mean that you should not be held accountable for not trying to help. We live in a very small world and to say you are a friend and not do anything to help is not a friend. If you notice the signs, take action. Don't wait until the press is talking to you about your friend. Do nothing and you could have a terrible price to pay. Do something and it might never of happend. We are all acountable for who we consider our friends. As friends we take care of one another.

Posted by: Lisa on Dec 6, 2007 at 02:45 PM
I hate the people of omaha for blaming the police for this happening. I wish that they could have stoped it IF THEY WERE ALREADY THERE but they werent. They got there as FAST AS THEY COULD. I think our time, prayers, and thoughts should be focused on the families and the people that were hurt in this tragedy. I thank everyone that has helped. BLESS THESE PEOPLE LORD.

Posted by: Brittany on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:54 PM
Guess what? NO ONE is faster than a bullet. Some of you are so incredibly ungrateful. You should be praising law enforcement for their quick efforts in securing the mall. And you should also be praying for them...for what they have spent the last 24 hours investigating, what they have seen, and the permanent marks it is sure to leave on their psyche. A big thank you to the officers and first responders from my family. We appreciate you, and keep you in our prayers!

Posted by: Shideen on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:43 PM
Jessica, I know from experience just because you get kicked out doesn't mean that this is always the soultion. Yes, Robert Hawkins was depressed but there are certain stages of depression, you can't judge those who were around him for his actions. He was misinforming everyone around him. And Robert Hawkins was a human just like me and everyone else. He had emotions like all of us go through. He felt alone, invisible,and thought everyone was pushing him up against a wall. This was just his way of an exit. And I just hope that he finds relief somewhere. I have felt how Robert felt. But we just need to help people when their down, instead of pushing them more. So I think we need to stop judging people, including the police, religion, and Robert. We all go through problems it's just Robert had no one to help him. So talking about him isn't going to fix it. It's not going to bring everyone back. So I think we need to deal with what happened. I'm here for you Robert, just know that.

Posted by: Bob on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:37 PM
Lisa, do kids really know killing is wrong? Video games and movies glorify killing every day and the animation is more life like than ever before. Yes, they may generically know that killing is wrong but I think they become numb to that as parents allow their children to plays these games for hours at a time. Parents need to be more responsible in the choices they make for their kids and bring back values in today society. If these games keep getting bought, the manufaturers will stay in business.

Posted by: Shideen on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:30 PM
I don't think that religion has anyhting to do with this. Everybody breaks commandments once in their lives. So don't bring religion into this. And not everyone believes in the same thing. So that's why they seperated school from religion.

Posted by: TNT on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:09 PM
Are you kidding me that people are complaining about the police--get real,--the real concern should be over the 8 families who are dealing with the death of a loved one today--I just don't know why Mr. Hawkins found the need to kill innocent people, if he wanted to die-fine-by why take others. I feel sorry for everyone involved.

Posted by: III on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:05 PM
Let's take a breal and reflect on this terrible circumstance. What we have lost is our FAMILY VALUES! There was a time people were not simply thrown to the system to care for. My parents & my Grand Parents led me to a truthful and prosperous life. This is where I learned to love and care foir people. Our family value have been thrust aside foir the here and NOW beliefs. I have raised 3 kids and have always been there to defend and care for the. I never would have considered simply throwing them into the system because they were a challenge. THAT IS A CHALLENGE I GREATFULLY ACCEPTED WHEN I BECAME A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Russ on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:03 PM
Entirely too many complaints on the police response time.I think it would be hard to to do any better.Why does anyone need to have a FUNCTIONAL weapon of this type in their home?These weapons are made for only one purpose.If anyone feels that they have to have one,it should be a requirement that it be disabled.

Posted by: saddened for ALL on Dec 6, 2007 at 12:52 PM
This father of this boy removed Robert and Robert's sister years ago from the neglect and abuse they endured by their biological mother who also suffered from mental illness. The older sister-a very successful college graduate. They grew up in a good church going family. This "boy"was very deeply disturbed and had several counseling sessions, was heavily medicated (prescribed BY physicians)and after physical threats to family members was placed in a "boys home" in Missouri-not a government funded facility. After ins. benefits ran out-he was given another chance by his family-in which he failed again. Then he entered the "system" and was a ward of the state". That couldn't last forever. Then family gives him another chance-but he failed to follow the rules again. No longer a minor-you know the rest of the story.

Posted by: Get Off the Police on Dec 6, 2007 at 12:42 PM
This is terrible that you people wanna sit here and blame the OPD. Keep in mind the President was just in Omaha that does require some police attention. Also keep in mind that that area of the city is one of the safest around. If you watched this morning they explained the timing of everything...it actually took less then 3 mins after dispatch. As far as the comment made by the dummy about cops posing for cameras...GET REAL!! They dont know if their is only one killer or 15 killers. How can some people be so ignorant!! I pray for the families involved. I also pray for some of you people that never have anything positive to say!!! GOD BLESS you all

Posted by: A on Dec 6, 2007 at 12:01 PM
It's truly sad that people are focusing on response times and the separation of church and state. Our police and rescue teams did an outstanding job (as they do every day) not only by responding quickly but also by taking all measure necessary to secure the area. That would be why you saw police in paramilitary gear with guns drawn after the incident was over! I have lived all over the world and I am happy to say that I consider Omaha my home and feel completely safe knowing the men and women of the OPD are protecting this city. This was a tragic event that can (and does) happen anywhere. My heart goes out to those who lost loved ones.

Posted by: Michelle R Wright on Dec 6, 2007 at 11:51 AM
I was on the third floor of the Vonmaur building in the children's department at the time of the shootings. It is hard to find words to describe the sheer terror that was felt yesterday. Under such dire, unthinkable circumstances it was amazing to see the amount of love and support given by the Von Maur employees and fellow customers. I want to thank with all my heart the dispatchers and law enforcement officers for helping those of us cope while hiding in fear. Michelle Wright

Posted by: Teacher on Dec 6, 2007 at 11:50 AM
You do not have to be a from a religious group or have read the comandments to know that killing is wrong you just have to be a human. My heart goes out to the witnesses and all of the family members dealing with this sad situation. The law states that a person must be proven to be a danger to themselves or others in order to commit him. The law is so strong it is hard to prove even though we have proof now. You can take a child and get them help but once that child becomes of legal age you can no longer force him to continue to get help. Hawkins alone is responsible for his choice. And unfortunately we are the ones who have to live with it. God bless all the people who helped during this crisis. God Bless the police, rescue crews, and FBI. I know when the call went out they came as fast as they could travel.

Posted by: CeCe on Dec 6, 2007 at 11:32 AM
Our entire community was a victim yesterday. My prayers are for all his victims, including Mr. Hawkins' family. I can't imagine the pain, confusion and grief they must face in light of yesterday. I am a parent and I realize no matter how much love and guidance I have provided, this easily could have been my child. Some influences are out of our control.

Posted by: john jones on Dec 6, 2007 at 11:08 AM
hey Lisa Location (is "Location" really your last name?), I totally agree with you..

Posted by: Pia on Dec 6, 2007 at 10:17 AM
Insanity....there is only one person to blame for this tragedy and he is no longer here to face the consequences of his actions, innocent lives were lost. Abundant thoughts and prays to the loved ones of the angels so selfishly taken away from here.

Posted by: The D on Dec 6, 2007 at 10:03 AM
News flash for you: The police are under no obligation to protect you. Their job is to pick up the pieces. Don't believe me? Google "Warren v. District of Columbia." People blame the police for their response time (six minutes isn’t that bad), but the bottom line is the only person responsible for your own personal safety and that of your loved ones is YOU. Educate yourself, attend the class, get some training, and apply for a concealed carry license. ONE legally armed and responsible citizen such as myself could have averted this tragedy. And before you gun grabbing lunatics attack me, I'd like to call your attention to the fact that Westroads has a staunchly anti-firearms stance - signs are posted making it illegal even for people with a concealed carry license to carry there (people who have had federal, state, and local background checks). Those signs certainly didn’t dissuade Hawkins, who walked right into a place where he KNEW that nobody but himself would be armed.

Posted by: anonymous on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:53 AM
I hope he is burning in hell.

Posted by: Brandon on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:53 AM
This situation really shows how great the OPD is. They were there so quickly and responded and acted perfectly. I pleased to see my tax dollars are well spent in that department. Hopefully they have set an example for the rest of the country as how to handle these horrible situations!

Posted by: Just Sad on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:35 AM
I just want to say we all know the police ususally can't get there in time to stop this kind of random killing. If large gathering places where thousands of people are choose to designate their facitities as "no gun" zones, then they should provide armed and well trained security at entrances. Also limit the number of entrances if its too expensive to provide this at all doors. I've been a recreational shooter and hunter along with my husband for years but really never considered carrying a weapon for protection but I think I'm changing my mind now. This doesn't seem to be a hard decision for a lot of men but I'm a women and somehow it just seems strange to even have to think about. But if these public places can't or won't provide the necessary security I guess we will have to protect ourselves. Also, I'm not on here to rant about this, I care about all the victims and sat and cried for them while I watched this on tv yesterday.

Posted by: steph on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:29 AM
I cannot believe people are questioning police response. The call came in at 1:42, it could have been 1 sec before 1:43, and they walked in at 1:48. They had to receive the call over the radio, assess the situation and drive quickly, but without injuring someone else. From what has been said, it was a very busy area yesterday. Plus, a cop has to be wary of the situation as well. If they storm in unprepared, they could have wound up dead as well. I think our police offers deserve praise!

Posted by: MP on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:23 AM
I just want to say that I commend the police, fire, rescue teams for their quick response and for making sure everyone that was able to get out of there got out ok. Like someone else said by the time they arrived the shooting was over. The reason they continued to run around with guns drawn (in my opinion)was to make sure there weren't more shooters. I'd rather they be extra cautious than not at all. My heart goes out to all the families affected by this. It breaks my heart to see so many people hurt by this tragedy. May they find peace.

Posted by: Agree on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:15 AM
Some people that were directly affected don't believe in God. Please don't offend by forcing your religion into this situation. It doesn't help. Be good to one another, help our weakest instead of trying to ignore them on the streets of our city. Honor by helping. Not with Guns. Not with God. Take it upon YOURSELF. Volunteer. Be a mentor. Check out our City's homeless shelters this Holiday season instead of ignoring those you've already decided are dangerous because they don't come from your part of town. Love our children, they are the ones that suffer at the selfish hands of the righteous. Give of yourself. Stop vocalizing your "I'm right" opinion on a message board & actually help someone that needs it.

Posted by: J on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:13 AM
THANK to all the law enforsement officers for doing their JOBS. Under the circumstances (traffic etc.) they did very well with the situation.

Posted by: dani on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:13 AM
news flash for ya stevens: There could have been another shooter. You never initially believe that there is only one. They had to clear the ENTIRE mall to ensure there was not. I think you're a great Monday morning quarterback.

Posted by: LaWanda on Dec 6, 2007 at 09:06 AM
Oh good grief! Instead of giving credit to the one responsible for this tragedy, you (and you know who you are) blame the police. Unless and until you have put on a uniform and walked a day in their shoes, do not judge those who do. While very few have anything positive to say regarding the men and women who so valiantly serve and protect this great nation (Omaha included), those same few don’t have a problem picking up the phone and calling 911 in their time of need. I find this truly sad, and you should all be ashamed.

Posted by: Shawn on Dec 6, 2007 at 08:54 AM
Amelia, if you believe that "the fifth commandment" is really going to make one lick of difference to someone as obviously sociopathic as Robert Hawkins, then maybe you are also in need of therapy. It shouldn't take a law, a rule or a "commandment" to tell anyone with any common sense that you shouldn't shoot people at random. Also, even though this story has nothing to do with religion, let's not forget that 9/11 and The Inquisition were acts that occurred in the names of various "gods". I fear fundamentalists far more than anyone else in the general public. The police did their job in this case, and could be asked for nothing more. My thoughts are with the victims here, and my commendations to the OPD for the fast reaction from an overworked force.

Posted by: Pete on Dec 6, 2007 at 07:45 AM
With President Bush in Omaha a mere 45 minutes ahead of this tragedy, one might think that the OPD might have been a bit tied up with security for that visit. Anyone caught up in a Presidential visit realizes just how comprehensive those plans are. Frankly, a police officer across the street would have had difficulty getting over there in five minutes with the traffic on Dodge at any given moment. I think your police department did as well as could be expected. God Bless you Omaha. The days ahead will be difficult and sad.

Posted by: sad on Dec 6, 2007 at 07:34 AM
Nothing to do with Religion? Wow. How sad, how terribly sad. If it has nothing to do with relgion, do we not PRAY for the victims and their families? Do we not pray they are in HEAVEN? Its all about religion at this point. We PRAY that as a community we can pull together and overcome this senseless tragedy.

Posted by: Ed on Dec 6, 2007 at 07:31 AM
This is tragic, but reflective of the times of which we live. The reasons are many. Start at the top...God is no longer a strong moral compass for our society, whether it be in the school or more importantly the family. We abdicate our responsibility for teaching and training our youth by allowing video games, TV, and movies of murder and mayhem. Collectively our leadership; politicians, businessmen, parents, and friends look the other way for money or simply the lack of wisdom and failure to act. We all share the blame in the demise of this man and his innocent victims. Who is responsible...take a look in the mirror.

Posted by: Jorge on Dec 6, 2007 at 07:04 AM
I think the police did a great job given the situation they had. Do you really expect the first police office on scene to run into a gunfire alone and get killed alone. Would you? The police did a great job and they did their jobs. The problem with the police is their leadership. Would the police have been there faster if they were fully staffed? Remember the Omaha Police chief did not hire the Elkhorn Police Officers, could they have been the officers to be in the area?

Posted by: Dave on Dec 6, 2007 at 06:59 AM
The whiners complaining about the response time are being ridiculous. Did you not read the story? The victims were dead by the time help got there. The issue is NOT police response time, but how to reach out to people who are troubled for any reason, and to find ways to stop violence. Blaming a lack of religious upbringing is also ridiculous. Don't the preachers and priests who prey on people, or commit other sins know the Ten Commandments? They teach them and still sin.My sympathy to the families of the victims, the first responders, and those touched in any way by this.

Posted by: Dennis on Dec 6, 2007 at 06:14 AM
When any tragedy happens today someone blames anything they can.The police,the school system.God,the parents . You name it its up for debate. The truth of the matter as I see it is if the news media stopped sensationalizing these events there would be less of them. It matters little to anyone that is troubled by their life who they take with them. Only the victims families can understand that pain. This news story will be around Omaha longer than any of us or our grandchildren will be alive. At least it is not some pothole or "super storm" Now let the proper agencies take care of the situation to make sure it never happens again anywhere in the USA. My condolences for all that suffered injuries or experienced a death in the family when the Christmas season should be a happy one.

Posted by: Angela Reeg on Dec 6, 2007 at 06:12 AM
God Bless the paramedics who braved the aftermath to rescue those in need. They had to be wondering if a second gunman might have been laying in wait....ready for round two.

Posted by: Reality on Dec 6, 2007 at 05:40 AM
To Sanity: Police were "running around like they were in a pitched battle" because they did not know how many shooters/suspects there were, nor did they knew who among the hundreds of mall shoppers might have been another shooter trying to slip out amongst the crowd. They had to clear everyone and clear the entire mall, searching every nook and cranny for the possibility of another suspect still hiding inside. Hindsight is 20/20, and we now know there was only one shooter, but officers can't let their guard down until that is positively confirmed.

Posted by: Leslie on Dec 6, 2007 at 05:14 AM
My thoughts and prayers go out to ALL the families of this tragedy. I am not a fan of guns but feel that as a citizen we have a right to have them. I just think that people should be responsible for securing weapons if they have them. Only the registered owner should have access to the keys. There are too many times where someone's child or friends get a hold of the weapons. If there are troubled people/teens around, then weapons SHOULD be secured. If I had a gun and it was used in something like this I would feel horrible if I didn't do everything I could to protect it from falling into the wrong hands. There is no one to blame in this event except for Robert. Everyone just has to pull together and come up with a solution in preventing these types of tragedies in the future.

Posted by: Nathan on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:35 AM
I wonder if anyone who's commenting on how slow 6 minutes is has ever even been to Westroads and driven through the horribly-planned streets nearby. During midday Dodge Street traffic. During the holidays, when a lot of people that would be at work are taking the day off to go shopping. And I know that all of you have seen how many jerks there are on the road that won't pull over for a siren. The six minutes is not bad at all. Give the guys a break, they did all they could. They're not Superman, they can't click their heels and say "There's no place like home" and go wherever they want. They have to get there in cars just like you and I do.

Posted by: Keith on Dec 6, 2007 at 04:28 AM
Gabriel, I hope you reconsider your opinion, "Why don't beyond-help, suicide-driven people like this just end their lives quietly by themselves?" Robert Hawkins was as human as every one of his victims. Your comment dehumanizes him, giving a justification for him to murder himself. So what do the 10 Commandments have to do with anything? Easy. The 10 Commandments show that all human life is to be valued. On the other hand, Evolution (preferred in classrooms across the nation) teaches that life's value comes from what it produces. Basically, your evolutionist based comment says he deserved to die, because he was a non-producing misfit. Can you tell me why the other 8 didn't deserve to die? Maybe some were shoplifters on welfare. Maybe one was an embezzler. Maybe a couple was abusing their children. If you reject the 10 Commandments, you have no reason to defend their lives. No, your only argument can be that they didn't deserve to die, because one of them might have been you.

Posted by: L A on Dec 6, 2007 at 03:48 AM
This is a classic "lost child," who thought nothing of anything but himself. It's tragic and I pray for the victims, including his family and foster family--they are victims, too. It's time to come together and love our children and get help for those who truly need it and to make sure that if a child is on medication that it be taken correctly and that the child be monitored by its doctor. This was a tragedy that didn't need to happen. The boy was distraught, but losing a girlfriend and getting fired is all part of life. You get over it.

Posted by: Michael on Dec 6, 2007 at 03:27 AM
I have family in Omaha and vist a few times a year this is a sad day and I will be thinking of thoses who have lost loved ones. As for the 6 minutes I think thats a good time it would take most of us that time to get from one end of the mall to the other.

Posted by: Kendra on Dec 6, 2007 at 03:16 AM
Too all the people that are saying that OPD had a poor response time...where is your head? The call had to come in first...it's not like somebody could call this in before it happened. Really 6 minutes through that area is very good. It usually takes me at least 8-10 after I exit off dodge and even find a front parking spot. Get your head in reality the police did fine. And for the comment posted about the police standing around posing with their guns...seriously? How do you people live your lives rationally with your thought process?

Posted by: N on Dec 6, 2007 at 03:08 AM
To those of you who think that the police were to slow to respond: How many psychics do you think the OPD employes? Perhaps at the next major violent incident you will let them know 7 minutues prior so they can respond before it happens!! GET OVER YOURSELVES!!! TO THE OMAHA POLICE DEPARTMENT: THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION AND PROMPT RESPONSE YOU ARE ALL GREATLY APPRECIATED!!

Posted by: dude on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:33 AM
Amelia: There goes the pray method of handling stuff, and yes, I guess if you need religion to get through your life, good for you.. Peace will come through the hard work of change – which of course requires actual action. You want peace? Vote on facts.Read a paper and research the record and qualifications of a person before voting them into office. CHALLENGE yourself to think and act when your world’s in peril. Praying will not bring peace. Educating our children will. If you are supporting that your children to learn this in school, then it’s possible that this country will reap what it sews. We will be destined to be populated by a generation that has lost their ability to question, analyze and be progressive. This nation, this planet for that matter, needs more than prayers. It needs to elevate itself on almost every level.

Posted by: Lisa on Dec 6, 2007 at 01:11 AM
Amelia, don't be stupid. Do you really think Mr. Hawkins didn't know killing was wrong?!? Everyone knows killing is wrong, no matter what their religion or whether they are athiest. This had nothing to do with whether religion is taught in PUBLIC schools! I do not want my tax dollars spent to promote your religious agenda any more than you want yours spent to promote mine. This tragic event is not related to your religious right argument.

Posted by: Jae on Dec 6, 2007 at 12:28 AM
I am so saddened that this happened in my favorite city. My prayers for the deceased victims and all of those victims in the mall.It does no good to judge after the fact.However, it does appear response was amazing. I am thankful we are here tonight and able to post comments. Nine people are not and dozens are so distraught they don't want to wake up in the morning.

Posted by: Gabriel on Dec 6, 2007 at 12:11 AM
Truly a sad and senseless act of selfishness that we saw today. What do the Ten Commandments have to do with anything? The alleged shooter dropped out of school, so what about that? Would the Ten Commandments have prevented this tragedy? I'll say no. As for the criticism about response times, the police can't "beam" themselves to calls, people. Of course, an "armchair quarterback/activist" would say something like that since they have nothing else to do but complain about the world around them. "A bank robber's paradise?!" Fool. I'm sure "teen angst" will be thrown around now, as if teenagers need any more excuses to fall back on for their behavior. Life isn't fair sometimes, kids...get used to it. Why don't beyond-help, suicide-driven people like this just end their lives quietly by themselves, and not seek innocents out in an effort to gain notoriety or fame? I guess 24-hour Husker football coach force-feeding by the media will have to wait until this blows over.

Posted by: Jared on Dec 6, 2007 at 12:02 AM
first: I just want to say my prayers are with the familys involved. and second: to all of you who are complaining about it taking 6min for the first officer to get to the scene, i have faith that the officers tryed as hard as they could to get there as fast as possible with out causing accidents. I am very greatful for the officers, medics and fire fighters we have in our city as well as across the united states they put their lives on the line for us. also Amelia i could not agree with you more the ten commandments should be back in the school system along with the original pledge of alegence.

Posted by: Mary on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:59 PM
Good job to the police for responding so quickly. For those that think this is unacceptable, they had to receive a call for help in order to know about the shooting so if that call came during the few minutes the shooting was going on or near the end of it, how could it be possible for the police to get there before it was over? The police are not to blame for this situation.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:56 PM
Amelia - This has nothing to do with Religion, Duh.

Posted by: what is wrong on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:42 PM
with all you people?? All you can do is complain in a time like this?? How about saying thank you the police and firefighters who have to deal with this. and next time they are driving lights and sirens MOVE over...Is 6 minutes SO BAD, there is a firestation on 103rd & maple so approx 2 miles and one on 84th & dodge...approx 2 miles...if people would get OUT OF THE WAY so lets see how fast you can make it. Possibly they were still carrying guns hours later because hours later they were still evacuating the mall and they don't have the crystal ball to tell them in one of the groups of people there was nobody with a gun trying to get away. Oh, but you are too busy thinking of yourself and putting down the police to think of something like that...

Posted by: Jessica on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:39 PM
2 minutes or 6 minutes, it would have made on difference, lifes where lost, Becuase NO ONE WHO knew this boy got him Help, don't tell me him getting kick out of HIS PARENTS HOME wasn't a warning sign, everyone that knew HIM said HE was depressed. SO MY question IS WHY did he not get HELP? MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILYS THAT LOST LOVED ONES at the hand of a BOY NO ONE CARE ENOUGH TO GET HELP HE DESPARATELY NEEDED.

Posted by: Roy on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:23 PM
Tim your an idiot if you think it only takes 6 min to travel 7 miles. Unfortunatly our cops here have to drive through traffic, park the vehicle, and run in. So tim next time clock your local police dept and see how long it takes them to respond somewhere. I bet it will be longer then 6 min. Tim.......stay in AZ

Posted by: Ryan on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:19 PM
6 minutes is a great response time - but too late. The shooting was probably over in less than 6 minutes. When seconds count, the police are minutes away. Legally armed citizens are the only hope in cases like this. Unfortunately, Westroads Mall is a "Gun Free Zone", just like all the other malls in Omaha. Citizens who follow the laws don't take weapons there, even if the have concealed carry permits. Obviously the shooter didn't follow the rules... Nor did he follow that one about not killing those around you.

Posted by: Carrie on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:17 PM
I agree, if the OPD had arrived in 3 minutes the outcome would be the same. Lets focus on the victims families and pray that they can get through this with maintaining a reasonable amount of sanity. The lives of these people will be forever changed. On a second note, it is not up to the public schools to teach the 10 commandments, I believe in God and disagree with his name being removed from everything non-secular. I learned the 10 commandments from my parents and from the religous education they exposed me to. I did not learn it from the public school system I attentded. Some how I think this boys mental illness would not have allowed him to think rationally enough to negotiate through "thow shall not kill" in his head prior to this incodent. I pray for the victims and their families.

Posted by: Kathy on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:09 PM
My heartfelt symthathies go out to the families and friends of the victims of this senseless tragedy. We experienced a similar incident at a mall in our area just last week, but fortunately there was only one innocent victim in our case and the gunman, ironically his name was Jason Hawkins. I lived in Omaha for 12 years before moving to Houston, so I am familiar with the area of the mall, and in my opinion, 6 minutes for the police to arrive after receiving the first 911 call is a quick response. They had no way of knowing "it was all over" prior to their arrival so of course they swarmed like stormtroopers. You should be thankful that they did...it could have been one of your loved ones in there. I for one would like to extend my Thanks the Omaha PD and Douglas County Sherrif's dept's for their quick response and insuring the safety of the possible thousands of innocent bystanders that were in the mall at that time.

Posted by: Really Are you Serious on Dec 5, 2007 at 11:01 PM
In response to the first post, seriously if your kids don't know the 10 commandments, isn't that your fault? Never mind the separation of church and state. Let's stick to the story and to the 9 families who lost loved ones tonight, and the two who are hanging on for their lives.

Posted by: roy on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:56 PM
You people make me sick, the officers got there as soon as they could and all you people can do is complain they weren't fast enough. Maybe next (and I hope not) something like this happens you people who think you can just be somewhere in seconds should respond

Posted by: Heather on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:53 PM
It says something to me, that a gunman could kill that many people so quickly. I know the heartland is an NRA paradise, but is there any reason any one should have that kind of weapon other than law enforcement or military personell. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.

Posted by: Laurie on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:53 PM
I agree, 6 minutes was a great response time. We expect the police to be everywhere immediately, but realistically that is not possible. 6 minutes on a busy Tuesday around lunch hour, means those officers were moving! Thanks to the police department for all that they do!

Posted by: Old Socks on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:51 PM
Before heaping too much criticism on the police, understand that in any shooting situation, the scene is treated as if it is still a live shoot until such time as law enforcement can verify no further gunfire possible. We know now the shooter was dead by the time the police arrived -- but we know that after the fact -- and when they arrived, they did not necessarily know the shooter was dead, or that it was a lone shooter. For all anyone knew, there could have been another shooter in that mall -- who is going to stop and count shooters when the bullets are flying? Give the police a break -- they were just doing their job according, I would guess, to departmental protocols.

Posted by: LAURIE on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:48 PM
My heart goes out to the families of the victims. We as a society however are part to blame. We give these individuals who act out with such violence celeberty status. We should not publish their name, nor the details of their life, why they acted as they did etc. I only gives other individuals who are having issues the wrong message. If you do something like this you will get attention, if not in life then in death. Are we not doing just what this individual wanted???

Posted by: V on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:42 PM
Lol. The 10 Commandments were never taught it public schools. It's called separation of church and state. And, the original translations was "thou shall not murder."

Posted by: Anthony on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:36 PM
remember the grenade found outside westroads last week, i think precautions were necessary.

Posted by: Steve on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:36 PM
"Our sense of security has been shattered. I pray that our Omaha families find comfort and peace."

Posted by: Miwist on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:35 PM
Stevens-ok, the shooter was dead but the Police didn't know that. They didn't know if there were multiple shooters. They didn't know if there was a bomb or panic stricken people stampeding. Yet they still unselfishly went into the mall without regard for there own safety. They should be commended for this and the work they do everyday.

Posted by: Amelia on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:29 PM
It is sad that there was violence in Omaha today. But, what do you expect, when the Ten Commandments are no longer taught in our public schools! Many teenagers don't know that "Thou shall not kill". I pray that the Ten Commandments will return to our public schools, and that God will help the families that lost love ones.

Posted by: Kendahl on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Given traffic and distance, six minutes is a very good response time. Unfortunately, six seconds might not be fast enough in this kind of situation. When the police arrived, they had no idea if the attack was already over or if there was a group of terrorists lying in wait. They wisely took precautions against the worst potential scenario.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:01 PM
From what I've read...the police did not know that the shooter was dead when they arrived...they were "running around there for 5 hours like they were in a pitched battle in Iraq?" as a precaution...Let's be real folks...6 minutes for the first officer to respond, that's amazing. And anyone who disagrees hasn't driven around that mall at 1:42 in the afternoon.

Posted by: Tim on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:01 PM
Lets see..6 minutes to respond, avg speed to get to mall 45MPH (for arguments sake)...would make the nearest cop 7.5 miles away! Wow, a bank robbers paradise!

Posted by: ken olson on Dec 5, 2007 at 10:00 PM
I would like to take my hat off to the men and women of the omaha police and fire department for the very quick response to this tragic incident. I could not image what the response time would have been with certain cut backs. Six minutes is a very creditable time frame. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Rich642z on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:59 PM
My prayers goes out to the victims and their families. Especially, before Christmas. How the shooter got the rifle well,no one is saying right now. Since the 19 year old man was in trouble with the law and already has a record at the police department and mental instability,there has to be a way to keep the firearms out of their hands. We,gun owners all know that. Gun Control does not work very well with the criminal and the people who have any sort of mental problems. The biological family ,I do not know how hard they tried and what they did to help their son out,the family should have seeked more help and consoul for their late son. Now,We all are hurting because of this and we parents have to stand up for our children before it is to late. And with the Hawkins fellow ,he is resting in peace,looking down with God and telling God I am truthfully sorry for my sins. We can forgive this poor 19 year old and go on but, the famies of the victims, ARE THE WILLING TO FORGIVE HAWKINS???

Posted by: mike on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:53 PM
where was there security at arent they armed if not it they should be they could of got behind and got him I guess westroads will change there name heavenroads and I really feel for the ones who lost a loveone and lets hope it dont happen again

Posted by: save your sarcasm on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:52 PM
Sanity, you better pay special attention....this is a big incident, it is one of the "biggest dramas." Put yourself in some of these peoples shoes, and get with it. No one stated this about 9/11, obviously you have an issue yourself. Do you need help too?

Posted by: Stevens; on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:47 PM
The shooter was already dead when the police arrived. So, the police didn't save anyone. But two hours later they were still posing for the cameras with their machine guns and para-military uniforms.

Posted by: J on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:44 PM
Sanity - so if someone had a bomb instead of a gun and the police arrived after only 1 minute, but it took 30 seconds to deploy, and killed 150 people; the police were still to slow; right? At least by your reasoning, you would have to follow that in every case.

Posted by: Michelle on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:34 PM
I was born in omaha ne. and have family in omaha ne. i live in council bluffs ia now and i send my sorrows to all in omaha ne. for the tragic incedent

Posted by: Sanity on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:31 PM
Ok everyone, pay special attention: the above story confirms that by the time the officers first arrived, the entire incident was ALREADY OVER. So, why all the gushing praise being heaped upon the police by the media? Why were the police, swat, stormtroopers, etc running around there for 5 hours like they were in a pitched battle in Iraq? 9 people are dead and the police and the media are going to do their best to turn this into the biggest drama since 9/11.

Posted by: Anonymous on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:28 PM
You must be kidding. On a busy morning it takes me 6 minutes just to get out of my neighborhood. To respond without causing traffic accidents, in a major city, just after lunch time ... is outstanding.

Posted by: dd on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:25 PM
Don't treat the OPD like FEMA with response times, they can't click their heels and appear with in seconds. They risk their lives everyday to protect our city, GET OFF THE SIX MINUTES. People would be complaining if they would have responded in 3 minutes. It doesn't change the fact that this kid had the intentions of killing himself and others. Law Enforcement and EMS did a great job today and I am greatful to live in Omaha, with the police force that we are fortunate to have!

Posted by: Chris on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:13 PM
How do we teach our children and youths that destroying other people's lives will not make them "famous" or more important in the eyes of society. The medication to treat depression is assumed to "help" but how can a medication help when it comes with the warning that it may cause suicidal tendencies, especially in children and young adults. Seems that killing yourself and others is a bit more depressing than dealing with the fact that life is not fair, not always bearable, but is more important to live than to "GO OUT IN STYLE" by murdering 8 people, murdering anybody. I feel for the family that tried to fix the broken pieces in this boys life, I hope it won't cause others to give up on troubled kids. My prayers go out to the victims, families and every person that was effected by todays events.

Posted by: Becky on Dec 5, 2007 at 09:10 PM
6 minutes seems a little excessive. Westroads is right off Dodge street in a very popular area. Shouldn't there have been cops around there somewhere?

Posted by: d on Dec 5, 2007 at 08:47 PM
and six minutes to respond to a well known, very busy public place where a gunman has opened fire is acceptable?

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